[DeTomaso] [SPAM] FW: ZDDP zinc oil additive

Thu Mar 12 19:01:29 EDT 2009

Paul
I'm onside with the care issue.
My point is that Mobil1 15W50 is not like any other retail Mobil1.
Mobil have specs all over the place, as you have to, to meet today's 
alphabet-soup requirement.
15W50, on the other hand, is in retailers, has a stable spec at 1200 ppm 
and is racing oil.
Like you say though - you need to keep reading the spec in case they get 
browbeaten into cutting the zinc,
 the same way that the diesel oils are being cut now.
dave

Steve Hawkins wrote:
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> From: Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: Dave Londry
> Cc: Paul - Home; detomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive
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> 15W50 is the Mobil high-zinc oil. 
> Other grades of Mobil 1 are not.
> They call it competition suitable ......
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> Mobil 1 15W-50 is our most advanced performance synthetic engine oil
> designed to provide ultimate wear protection for a smooth driving experience
> every time. Mobil 1 15W-50, Performance Driving Formula, exceeds the
> requirements of the industry and car manufacturers' standards required for
> high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and diesel multi-valve
> fuel injected engines. Mobil 1 15W-50 is a winning race proven technology.
> It is especially suited for high-speed highway, towing, and other severe
> service situation. Mobil 1 15W-50, Performance Driving Formula, provides
> extra engine oil performance and protection for the winning edge. Mobil oils
> are the official oils of NASCAR. 
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> Features and Expected Benefits 
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> Mobil 1 15W-50 is made with a patented proprietary blend of high performance
> synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Antiwear Technology, our most
> advanced additive system available today. Mobil 1 15W-50 heavier viscosity
> together with patented Supersyn Antiwear technology provides our best
> dynamic lubricant protection. This feature is supported, not only by
> exceeding the toughest industry performance standards, it is proven in
> gruelling racing applications. Key features and expected benefits include
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> Paul - Home wrote: 
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> As Asa stated you need to be VERY careful in your choice of oil for a 
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> flat tappet cammed engine.  The Mobil 1 chart showed an oil that had 
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> 1200 ppm of ZDDP.  But I've seen other Mobil 1 charts, that show that 
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> level of ZDDP only for older mixes of oil, not for the stuff you can buy 
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> at the auto parts store.  Rotella and other diesel oils are not going to 
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> be sufficient and are already starting to reduce the ZDDP levels.
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> Your best bet is to go with a specialty oil and to carefully research it.
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> Paul
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> I  just checked the Mobil 1 web site an they say that their 15W50 (which is 
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> what I use) has 1200 ppm of ZDDP.   Most others in their line have 800ppm, a
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> couple have 1000ppm.  Is 1200 enough?  I don't know  but it's better than 
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> nothing, I guess.
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> Heres a chart of their product line The last line labled Phosphous content 
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> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
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> To: "Asa Jay Laughton"  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
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> Cc:  <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive
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> Dear Asa,
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> I am a bit confused. I understand that Mobil 1, VR-1 and Amsoil, etc, are 
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> trick, synthetic oils with many advantages over dino oil. My dumb question 
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> is if those advantages include synthetic compensation for the lack of 
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> ZDDP? My guess is that while they excel in most areas of oil function, the 
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> specific problem area that ZDDP addresses requires----specificaly ZDDP. 
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> Anybody know if the synthetics need no additives or if a little "snort" of 
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> ZDDP is beneficial in our flat tappet cam engines?
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> Often confused, Chuck Engles
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> ---- Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
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> But there are also alternatives out there, like Mobil 1, Valvoline VR-1,
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> Amsoil. You just need to do the research, and there is a lot of it out
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> there. I recently switched back to Amsoil and I'm loving it.
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> What you say is true-- any oil approved for a new car would be terrible 
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> But if you use a gas-diesel approved oil like Delo or Rotella will still 
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> That could change in the future if the government requires further 
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> Jim Oddie
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> From: Robert Kirk  <mailto:kirkbrit at yahoo.com> <kirkbrit at yahoo.com>
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> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 2:28 pm
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive
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> I?have recently become aware that current motor oils are profoundly 
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> One of my MGC customers has had a major failure with his new Cam.?? I now 
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> that lack of sufficient zinc (ZDDP) in the oil is probably a supporting 
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> causation of the problem.? I now am now on board with what looks to be 
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> solution on the market...."ZDD plus".??? Anyway I wanted to offer the 
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> opportunity to purchase a small quantity (5 4oz bottles) at a 25% 
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> the retail price of $9.95/bottle.? That would be enough to do 5 oil 
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> Moss gets $12/bottle with their dealer cost still over the MSR of $9.95
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> A brief run down of the problem:
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> http://www.macysgarage.com/myweb6/ZDDP.htm
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> More information about the product I sell at:
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> http://www.zddplus.com/
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> This is a real problem for pre catylitic cars with flat lifters.? I hope 
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> much more posted to my web site very soon.? This product has 4 times as 
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> the GM marketed brake in oil and is light years ahead of most any modern 
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> There seems to be a lot of chest pounding and out and out untruths about 
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> modern oils but the bottom line is that if it is recommended for a new 
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> converters.?
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> If interested please contact me directly off list.
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> Regards,
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> Robert Kirk
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> www.kirks-auto.com
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