[DeTomaso] Under car water pipes

Mon Jun 22 18:42:46 EDT 2009

     Bob Timma told me that he increased the diameter of the tubing in the 
entire cooling system?  I'm not sure if he did all the tubing but I think he 
did more than just the tubes under the car.  Bob said it helped 
significantly in cooling the engine.  I also got to thinking that a way to 
make our cooling systems more efficient would be to increase the capacity of 
the pressurized swirl tank.  I'm thinking that you could probably double the 
size of the tank and make the system work better?

Art


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Under car water pipes


> The tubes run through a box section of the chassis. It's mainly there for 
> a reason other than holding up the tubes. If you were talking about the 
> ones at the ends of the tubes I wouldn't object but the center one is more 
> critical IMO. Restoring its strength requires more than a simple bracket, 
> again IMO.
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> To: <asajay at asajay.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Under car water pipes
>
>
>>I realize this comment will sound redneck, but...
>>
>> Has anyone considered cutting slots so the water tubes can simply be 
>> raised
>> into the body?  You could make your own removable brackets to hold them 
>> up.
>>
>> I haven't seriously considered this, but I've often wondered if we've 
>> gone
>> out of our way engineering a complicated solution (multi-piece tubes) for 
>> a
>> simple problem (a couple of simple cuts + brackets).
>>
>> I don't remember the thickness of the metal where the water tubes are
>> routed.  If it's thin sheet metal, it might be worth it.  If it's thick, 
>> I
>> wouldn't want to cut it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of asajay at asajay.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 2:27 PM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Under car water pipes
>>
>> This makes the most sense from an assembly perspective.  Thank you for
>> the explanation.  Four pipes it is then.  :)
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Quoting Barry Seib <oldwheel at mts.net>:
>>
>>> Having just been thru this, I can tell you that one side is full length
>> (one
>>> piece) because you can get it installed quite easily with the engine 
>>> out.
>>> The other side could also be one length, but you would have to devise a
>>> removable park brake bracket to allow installation, even with the engine
>>> out. It seems logical to me that the factory used as few hose 
>>> connections
>> as
>>> possible to save potential leak points (and money).
>>>
>>> Alas, I thought I was so smart, I would use two full length SS pipes 
>>> while
>>> my car was all apart. Never have to remove them again. Trouble is, I 
>>> can't
>>> bring myself to start hacking the park brake bracket off and making a
>> mickey
>>> mouse re-attachment. My pantera project has turned out to be very
>>> complicated without that kind of stuff. Besides, I just don't feel good
>>> doing that to a 37 year old Italian car that has survived intact. I had 
>>> to
>>> cut one SS pipe in half to save my original park brake bracket. Oh well,
>> it
>>> was only aftermarket pipes. My original factory crossmember and bracket
>> took
>>> priority for now.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/21/09 6:48:25 PM, asajay at asajay.com writes:
>>>
>>>> Why is one tube in one piece spanning the entire length, and the other 
>>>> in
>>>> two pieces?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wondered about that, too. The answer is somewhere in DeTomaso's 
>>> head....
>>> The long pipe will not come out with the engine/ZF in place, without
>> cutting
>>> it in half. But if its badly rusted, just cut it- scrap is scrap! All 
>>> the
>>> ss replacements are two piece. Hope you have a Sawzall available; if 
>>> not,
>>> cheap $29 copies are available from Harbor Freight and others. Cheers- J
>>> Deryke
>>>
>>>
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