[DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.

Tue Jul 7 10:28:48 EDT 2009

Welcome to the family Denny!

Larry (black sheep hmmm) - Cleveland

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From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Denny Finn
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:42 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.

Hi, I am Dennis Finn, 
A newby to Pantera Land. Pantera owner for 90 days! Also my first post. 

I own an Auto Restoration Shop in Molalla Oregon (near Portland)& can say
that you should mark parts as you take them apart ( as others have stated) 

But include markings like:  up or down(with an arrow) & LF & RT. 

 Like on W/s wiper arms I mark them lf & rt & also each arm on what
direction it points. These are the little things that seem obvious when
taking apart but not so obvious a long time later when re-assembling. Also
when removing emblems or side moldings, take measurements for reference on
where they went (if glue on).   

As others have said lots of Digital pictures. Take them in stages as you
take the car apart. This is the way you will see the car as it goes back
together, is in stages. You can never take to many pictures. 

Take notes as you tear down the car of any items that are damaged, cracked,
need replaced, stripped or broken bolts, leaks, etc. Kind of a parts list. 

Good luck on your Jeep project. I hope this helps. 

Dennis Finn
#1769
Finns Auto Restoration & Custom
104 W.Main St.
Molalla Oregon 97038
(503)829-8488

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   1. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (Sean Korb)
   2. Re: Starter Studs (forestg at att.net)
   3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
   4. Re: Starter Studs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
   5. Happy Bithday (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
   6. Re: Starter Studs (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
   7. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
   8. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (SOBill at aol.com)
   9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  10. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (David in Durango)
  11. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (Bill Lewis)
  12. Re: Happy Bithday (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
  13. Pantera Jeep (Bill Lewis)
  14. Re: Happy Bithday (David in Durango)
  15. Re: Pantera Jeep (cengles at cox.net)
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  17. Re: Pantera Jeep (Dave Londry)
  18.  Pantera Jeep (Larry Finch)
  19. Re: Pantera Jeep (David in Durango)
  20. Re: Pantera Jeep (gpd4)
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  28. Re: Pantera Jeep (Jim Hendrickson)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:42:04 -0400
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
To: List Pantera <detomaso at realbig.com>
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:35 PM, <LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hello Friends ,
> Happy July 4th to all.
>
> I would like to do some nightime ?driving except my buckets do not ?raise
> up. I can see that the headlights are on but buckets do not move at all.

This a slightly less than helpful aside, but the first weeks I owned
my Pantera I couldn't get the headlights to go up.  The car wouldn't
start either, so it was "on the list".  I raised them to see if they
would go up; there's a worm screw on the motor that I remember
turning.  I even played with the limiter switches to see if that
helped.

It turned out that they would only go up with the key in the "on"
position.  Shortly after I figured that out, I had the timing cover
back on and started the car.  It was most joyous.

Happy 4th!
sean

-- 
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:56:29 +0000
From: forestg at att.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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 It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the middle.
The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
Forest
 -------------- Original message from MikeLDrew at aol.com: --------------

> 
> In a message dated 7/3/09 22 52 54, asajay at asajay.com writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Did you figure out the studs needed for the starter?  I test fit mine
> > today and the studs are just a wee bit short.  I could probably get a
> > nut on, but without a lock washer.  With a lock washer, I'll be on just
> > a thread or two.
> > 
> > Did you figure out the best choices?  (sorry if I've not paid a lot of
> > attention, got beat up by a Mad Dog so I've been hiding my tail in the
> > garage the last couple of days.)  :)
> > 
> 
> Larry Finch sent me the specs for his stock stud:
> 
> ====
> 
> M10 x 1.5
> 
> The stock stud now in my hand is an overall length of 35mm.
> 
> One end has about 9 mm of threads.
> 
> Other end has about 17mm of threads
> 
> Center  section is about 9mm.
> 
> New one needs to be longer.
> 
> ====
> 
> There you go.   What Larry failed to tell me is WHICH end that is the end 
> that the starter fits over, versus the end that goes into the bellhousing.

> For the end that the starter goes over is the end that has to be longer.
> 
> Can you confirm?
> 
> Mike
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 EDT
From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com
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Goran,
I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera

I am already one of the outside bastards
with my Windsor stoker that has held together
longer than any other motor I have ever owned
No need for a Pontiac at this time

Bob 
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:24:24 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:

> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the 
> middle. 
> 
>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain 
anything.   For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end, 17mm

on the other end, and 9mm in the middle.   If the new stud had 17mm on one 
end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread it 
further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides over)

wouldn't extend any further.

So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the 
increase matters.

> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
> 
>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too.   So the length increase either has 
to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.

Thanks!

Mike

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:25:53 -0400
From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"

Happy Birthday America. 233 today, but don't look a day over 200!

God Bless you all.

Larry - Cleveland

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:31:03 -0400
From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
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<<So the length increase either has to be in the middle, or the other end,
or a combination 
of the two>>

So your telling me that size does matter in ones stud?

Larry (studless) - Cleveland

On Sat Jul  4 11:24 , MikeLDrew at aol.com sent:

>
>In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:
>
>
>> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the 
>> middle. 
>> 
>>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain 
>anything.   For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end,
17mm 
>on the other end, and 9mm in the middle.   If the new stud had 17mm on one 
>end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread it

>further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides
over) 
>wouldn't extend any further.
>
>So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the 
>increase matters.
>
>
>> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
>> 
>>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too.   So the length increase either has

>to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:32:38 EDT
From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Mikey, Mikey,
Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
was being fixed... the new one had some issues
and was being worked on... he asked me if he
would be satisified with the stocker

My response was quick and NO
He questioned me and I told him once you
have experienced a car with major power it is
really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
and never looked back

Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
why would you not want that.... and forget about the
mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???

Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:07:51 EDT
From: SOBill at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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FWIW,

I have sent Robert the electrical diagrams and a detailed  description of 
how the headlamp doors sequence via the limit  switches.

That should keep him out of trouble this weekend  ;<).

Have fun,

SOBill  Taylor
sobill at aol.com  

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:13 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
To: RCBSONS1 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:

> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
> would be satisified with the stocker
> 
> My response was quick and NO
> 
>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)

> He questioned me and I told him once you
> have experienced a car with major power it is
> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
> and never looked back
> 
>>>I drove that car too.   You're right, his power is addictive!   But his 
hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the car.
> 
> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
> why would you not want that....
> 
>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in 
the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all the 
other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....

>  and forget about the
> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
> 
> >>>Au contraire!   The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact Fernando 
and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of
Napa/Yolo/Solano 
counties just before Reno.   Only problem is that it has a bad habit of 
popping out of third gear under trailing throttle.   As the gearbox has just

been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.

Or, not. :<(

But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the 
moment--as it should be! :>)

Mike

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:36:35 -0600
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Well, the ride I had in Mr. "FG" 's car back in '03 forever spoiled me. 
Those gurly clevelands just don't get it anymore!  I'll never forget that 
ride.  Thank you F "the streets are slick" G!

(and when deRyke tells you that motor swap gives you a 3 speed unless you 
re-gear . . .ITS THE TRUTH).

David in Durango
the miata is pulling hard again!
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From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4

>
> In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
>> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
>> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
>> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
>> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
>> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
>> would be satisified with the stocker
>>
>> My response was quick and NO
>>
>>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)
>
>> He questioned me and I told him once you
>> have experienced a car with major power it is
>> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
>> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
>> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
>> and never looked back
>>
>>>>I drove that car too.   You're right, his power is addictive!   But his
> hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the car.
>>
>> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
>> why would you not want that....
>>
>>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in
> the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all 
> the
> other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....
>
>
>>  and forget about the
>> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
>> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
>> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
>>
>> >>>Au contraire!   The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact Fernando
> and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of 
> Napa/Yolo/Solano
> counties just before Reno.   Only problem is that it has a bad habit of
> popping out of third gear under trailing throttle.   As the gearbox has 
> just
> been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.
>
> Or, not. :<(
>
> But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the
> moment--as it should be! :>)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:36:45 +0000
From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Bob, I am fixing to put a Windsor stroker (from keith Craft) in my car -
tell me more about yours:  when?, price (optional answer)?, who did work?   

Thanks, Bill Lewis

> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 -0400
> To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> 
> Goran,
> I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
> in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
> Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera
>  
> I am already one of the outside bastards
> with my Windsor stoker that has held together
> longer than any other motor I have ever owned
> No need for a Pontiac at this time
>  
> Bob 
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:51:15 EDT
From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our country!

Judy

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000
From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
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OK, now that I have your attention!

I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.

I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.

Two questions:

1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears Craftsman
- you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up with the
Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you have?  Anyone know of a
Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just start buying!

2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But,
I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a
spiral-type book.

Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis 

P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home last
night.

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:59:05 -0600
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <1D445B8B18A14D91B416BA92591E5C39 at ZTxp>
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Dang, between that and hangin' w/ a grandma - he'll NEVER get another date.

We love him anyway . . .

> Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our country!
>
> Judy

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:21:29 -0400
From: <cengles at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <20090704142129.4VD8Z.155275.imail at eastrmwml49>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Dear Bill, 

I have not done a restoration. 
I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
disassmbly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels for
parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and a
good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some magazines
available for hobbiest restorers and you might find them with a search on
Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming with
advice for the rookie restorer. 

Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>OK, now that I have your attention!
>
>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>
>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>
>Two questions:
>
>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears Craftsman
- you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>
>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But, I'm
sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in a
spiral-type book.
>
>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>
>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
night.
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:23:32 -0400
From: <cengles at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <20090704142332.Q1ZAA.155282.imail at eastrmwml49>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Dear Bill, 

I have not done a restoration. 
I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
disassembly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels for
parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and a
good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some magazines
available for hobbyist restorers and you might find them with a search on
Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming with
advice for the rookie restorer. 

Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>OK, now that I have your attention!
>
>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>
>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>
>Two questions:
>
>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears Craftsman
- you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>
>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But, I'm
sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in a
spiral-type book.
>
>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>
>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
night.
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:54:28 -0700
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <4A4FA564.3020703 at emspace.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Bill
Call the tool counter at your neighbourhood Sears and ask them when the 
mechanic's tool sets are going on sale next.
They're normally $200ish and go on at half price.
You could buy either an inch or metric set and also buy the opposite 
socket set
 'cause you need both and they usually go on sale at the same time.
 ( maybe $50 from regular $100)
dave

Bill Lewis wrote:
> OK, now that I have your attention!
>
> I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>
> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up
with the Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you have?  Anyone know of
a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just start buying!
>
> 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But,
I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a
spiral-type book.
>
> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis 
>
> P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home last
night.
>
>
>
>   

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:05:27 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  Pantera Jeep
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
Message-ID: <D72EBC98-79BC-47FF-B77E-08EEE2ADB20C at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Craftsman is fine.  Ebay is good for these at lower cost.  Sears also  
offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS  
and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too  
many hand tools.  You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just  
one set of sockets....etc, etc.  You need regular depth sockets, deep  
sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.   
Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.

Multi drawer tool chest.

"Clicker" torque wrench.

WD-40 and liquid wrench.

A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for  
extended length, and glass bead media.

Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.

Good floor jack and four good jack stands.

Florescent trouble light.

Good ceiling lighting  in your garage.

Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.

Work bench with vise.

Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.

Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.

New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed  
from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).

Shop rags.

Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.

Bandages and Neosporin.

Patience.

High speed internet connection for research.

eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.

Money.

Time.

Understanding family.

And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in  
time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"

Good luck and have fun.

Larry

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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:31 -0600
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <78BB470D3ED742699FD851D157D20F88 at ZTxp>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Gee, you make it sound so easy . . . .

I would add one necessary item:
all the good friends on the P list. 

Time to crank up the 5.0 craftsman lawnmower . . . .

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep

> Craftsman is fine.  Ebay is good for these at lower cost.  Sears also  
> offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS  
> and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too  
> many hand tools.  You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just  
> one set of sockets....etc, etc.  You need regular depth sockets, deep  
> sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.   
> Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.
> 
> Multi drawer tool chest.
> 
> "Clicker" torque wrench.
> 
> WD-40 and liquid wrench.
> 
> A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for  
> extended length, and glass bead media.
> 
> Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.
> 
> Good floor jack and four good jack stands.
> 
> Florescent trouble light.
> 
> Good ceiling lighting  in your garage.
> 
> Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.
> 
> Work bench with vise.
> 
> Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.
> 
> Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.
> 
> New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed  
> from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).
> 
> Shop rags.
> 
> Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.
> 
> Bandages and Neosporin.
> 
> Patience.
> 
> High speed internet connection for research.
> 
> eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.
> 
> Money.
> 
> Time.
> 
> Understanding family.
> 
> And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in  
> time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"
> 
> Good luck and have fun.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:33:42 -0400
From: gpd4 <gpd4 at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, rcbsons1 at aol.com
Message-ID: <20090704.123503.11225.9686 at mailpop04.vgs.untd.com>
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Go on Craigslist where you can buy tools pennies on the dollar.  Over the
years I have bought many complete tool sets ranging from $1,000 to
$20,000, all from (former, for varied reasons) mechanics that wanted to
sell.  Since a big tool box (empty) from Snap-On or Mac is now over $10K,
it does not take long to spend many times that buying tools one at a
time.  And definitely buy quality for the items that you will use
regularly.  Harbor Freight quality is fine for the tools that you may
only use once.
GPD4

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000 Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> OK, now that I have your attention!
> 
> I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several 
> wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> 
> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. 
>  Me, myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears 
> Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no 
> "keep up with the Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you 
> have?  Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, 
> just start buying!
> 
> 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping 
> track of parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe 
> photos, etc.  But, I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this 
> path and have lots of ideas.  Then it dawned on me that I may have a 
> tracking book for one part of the project (re-doing the window 
> raises, for instance), and then on the same day, I might work on the 
> front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a spiral-type 
> book.
> 
> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis 
> 
> P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it 
> home last night.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:18:51 -0700
From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
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You are not going to believe what just happened.

I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again) full.
However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
phone.

He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the police
(which I was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the least.
After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been working
on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He
claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office.  I
explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the office
(why he didn't leave a message is beyond me).  He said he was irritated(!)
that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
beyond me).

He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he could
get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
transporting the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him put
on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.

He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained about
the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!

He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the engine
builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He said
he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"

I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which illicited
another burst of disgruntlement.

He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car this
weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.

As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing for
me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as I
can.

As I've said before; what a nightmare.

Sincerely,

Chris

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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:29:49 -0400
From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: rcbsons1 at aol.com, hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com,
	Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <43367.1246746589 at ohiotimecorp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Bill,

My second car was a ???59 Jeep pickup. It had a flat head ???Hurricane???
straight six in it.

I will agree with what every one else has said about what you need.
Craftsmen tools are very good, 90% 
of my tools are Craftsmen, 35 years + old too.

A few things to add to your list:

Safety glasses
Face shield
Fire extinguisher
Lots of lights
15 different power glasses to be able to see 
A cell phone in your pocket at all times (for more then one kind of help)

I do not think I could do this kind of work with out my Oxygen / Acetylene
welding and cutting set.  
The biggest thing you will find is rusted and frozen nuts and parts. Get
them red hot and they will 
come off. If it is just a nut and bolt???burn it off. Fast and simple.

Try not to burn yourself out on the project. Set small goals that you can
finish. Keep a ???to do??? list. 
If you can get it running as you work on it at least you can drive it and
have some fun. A full restore 
is in the range of 2,000 hours. That is 40 hours a week for 50 weeks. Know
what you are getting into. 
Find a friend or two to help. Everyone works better when there is two to do
it.

This is just normal simple car work. It is not hard to learn. Try to
understand how it works before you 
rip it apart. Remember I have the IQ of a rock and I can do it!

Have fun

Larry - Cleveland

On Sat Jul  4 13:58 , Bill Lewis  sent:

>
>OK, now that I have your attention!
>
>I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
pliers, and a barb-wire 
repair tool.
>
>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
myself.  I have a new garage 
area, so I have plenty of room.
>
>Two questions:
>
>1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
Craftsman - you can buy them 
anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up with the Jones" mechanic.
What recommendations do you 
have?  Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just
start buying!
>
>2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
parts.  I had planned on 
using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But, I'm sure that plenty of you
have been down this path 
and have lots of ideas.  Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking
book for one part of the 
project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
day, I might work on the front 
winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a spiral-type book.
>
>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis 
>
>P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home last
night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com, Pantera Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <795485.59017.qm at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Bill, best to you as you enjoy both your Pantera and Jeep. Since you have
the
room, the one tool I would recommend adding to your garage is a 2-post lift.
I installed one last Christmas and have loved it! It is particularly helpful
for working one the Pantera, but you'll find it useful for your Jeep as
well.
Forget the cardboard for working under your vehicle.....just lift it up to
whatever height you need it and work on it. The older you get, the more
important it becomes. Take it from another old-guy shade-tree-mechanic,
get a lift and enjoy the time you spend wrenching on your cars. Scott

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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:19:41 -0500
From: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] US Independance day July 4
To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <KFEFLEOLLPODDEBIPGDFAEDBCHAA.oldwheel at mts.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hope you are all enjoying the celebration of your country's birthday!
I'm very thankful you are our neighbor, friend and trusted ally.
Sure glad your country can be counted on to stand with us for the freedom of
Canada and other countries that can't defend themselves on their own against
those who have other ideas. Very sad to see both our countries still losing
brave sons and daughters in wars.
God bless the United States of America.
Best wishes to you all.
Barry

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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:39:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>,	Pantera List Serve
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID:

<28740315.1246750759586.JavaMail.root at elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I feel for you Chris... I have a personal mechanic that comes to my shop. It
keeps me in better control of what happens...I hope this ends well and soon
for you.. Bill 1362

-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>Sent: Jul 4, 2009 4:18 PM
>To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
>
>
>You are not going to believe what just happened.
>
>I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again) full.
However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
phone.
>
>He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the police
(which I was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the least.
After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been working
on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He
claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office.  I
explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the office
(why he didn't leave a message is beyond me).  He said he was irritated(!)
that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
beyond me).
>
>He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he could
get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
transporting the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him put
on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
>
>He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained about
the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
>
>He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the engine
builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He said
he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
>
>I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which illicited
another burst of disgruntlement.
>
>He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car this
weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
>
>As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing for
me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as I
can.
>
>As I've said before; what a nightmare.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Chris
>
>
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:41:43 -0600
From: "Kerry Maguire" <kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  Pandora--Unbelievable!
To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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I am sorry but this story is like a train wreck. It is terrible to look at,
but you cannot turn your eyes away.

Best of luck to you!

Regards,

Kerry M. Maguire #5606