[DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.

michael@michaelshortt.com michaelsavga at gmail.com
Tue Jul 7 09:32:49 EDT 2009


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Michael Shortt
#1669, 1971
Savannah, Georgia
www.michaelspantera.com

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote:

> WTF, welcome.  and thanks for the insight.
>
> Hope you enjoy your new Pantera!
>
> David in Durango
> grouchy and dirty
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denny Finn" <dennyfinn at molalla.net>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>   Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.
>
>
> > Hi, I am Dennis Finn,
> > A newby to Pantera Land. Pantera owner for 90 days! Also my first post.
> >
> > I own an Auto Restoration Shop in Molalla Oregon (near Portland)& can say
> > that you should mark parts as you take them apart ( as others have
> stated)
> >
> > But include markings like:  up or down(with an arrow) & LF & RT.
> >
> > Like on W/s wiper arms I mark them lf & rt & also each arm on what
> > direction it points. These are the little things that seem obvious when
> > taking apart but not so obvious a long time later when re-assembling.
> Also
> > when removing emblems or side moldings, take measurements for reference
> on
> > where they went (if glue on).
> >
> > As others have said lots of Digital pictures. Take them in stages as you
> > take the car apart. This is the way you will see the car as it goes back
> > together, is in stages. You can never take to many pictures.
> >
> > Take notes as you tear down the car of any items that are damaged,
> > cracked,
> > need replaced, stripped or broken bolts, leaks, etc. Kind of a parts
> list.
> >
> > Good luck on your Jeep project. I hope this helps.
> >
> > Dennis Finn
> > #1769
> > Finns Auto Restoration & Custom
> > 104 W.Main St.
> > Molalla Oregon 97038
> > (503)829-8488
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
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> >   1. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (Sean Korb)
> >   2. Re: Starter Studs (forestg at att.net)
> >   3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
> >   4. Re: Starter Studs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> >   5. Happy Bithday (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> >   6. Re: Starter Studs (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> >   7. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
> >   8. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (SOBill at aol.com)
> >   9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> >  10. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (David in Durango)
> >  11. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (Bill Lewis)
> >  12. Re: Happy Bithday (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
> >  13. Pantera Jeep (Bill Lewis)
> >  14. Re: Happy Bithday (David in Durango)
> >  15. Re: Pantera Jeep (cengles at cox.net)
> >  16. Re: Pantera Jeep (cengles at cox.net)
> >  17. Re: Pantera Jeep (Dave Londry)
> >  18.  Pantera Jeep (Larry Finch)
> >  19. Re: Pantera Jeep (David in Durango)
> >  20. Re: Pantera Jeep (gpd4)
> >  21. Pandora--Unbelievable! (Christopher Kimball)
> >  22. Re: Pantera Jeep (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> >  23. Pantera Jeep (Scott Couchman)
> >  24. US Independance day July 4 (Barry Seib)
> >  25. Re: Pandora--Unbelievable! (bill gaino)
> >  26.  Pandora--Unbelievable! (Kerry Maguire)
> >  27. Re: US Independance day July 4 (dickruzzindesign)
> >  28. Re: Pantera Jeep (Jim Hendrickson)
> >  29. Re: Pandora--Unbelievable! (pantdino at aol.com)
> >  30. Re: Pantera Jeep (mikeldrew at aol.com)
> >  31. Looking for parts (Asa Jay Laughton)
> >  32. Headers to muffler connection (Asa Jay Laughton)
> >  33. Re: Looking for parts (SOBill at aol.com)
> >  34. engine oil (gudmund fr?land)
> >  35. Re: engine oil (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:42:04 -0400
> > From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
> > To: List Pantera <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <9ce6ff220907040642q3560aa98v573ccaecc6e98bf2 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:35 PM, <LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Friends ,
> >> Happy July 4th to all.
> >>
> >> I would like to do some nightime ?driving except my buckets do not
> ?raise
> >> up. I can see that the headlights are on but buckets do not move at all.
> >
> > This a slightly less than helpful aside, but the first weeks I owned
> > my Pantera I couldn't get the headlights to go up.  The car wouldn't
> > start either, so it was "on the list".  I raised them to see if they
> > would go up; there's a worm screw on the motor that I remember
> > turning.  I even played with the limiter switches to see if that
> > helped.
> >
> > It turned out that they would only go up with the key in the "on"
> > position.  Shortly after I figured that out, I had the timing cover
> > back on and started the car.  It was most joyous.
> >
> > Happy 4th!
> > sean
> >
> > --
> > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> #1382
> > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> > "Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:56:29 +0000
> > From: forestg at att.net
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> <070420091456.23095.4A4F6D9D00019D4D00005A3722243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF099B9C
> > 0A9D0100 at att.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> >
> >
> > It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the
> middle.
> > The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
> > Forest
> > -------------- Original message from MikeLDrew at aol.com: --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/3/09 22 52 54, asajay at asajay.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Did you figure out the studs needed for the starter?  I test fit mine
> >> > today and the studs are just a wee bit short.  I could probably get a
> >> > nut on, but without a lock washer.  With a lock washer, I'll be on
> just
> >> > a thread or two.
> >> >
> >> > Did you figure out the best choices?  (sorry if I've not paid a lot of
> >> > attention, got beat up by a Mad Dog so I've been hiding my tail in the
> >> > garage the last couple of days.)  :)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Larry Finch sent me the specs for his stock stud:
> >>
> >> ====
> >>
> >> M10 x 1.5
> >>
> >> The stock stud now in my hand is an overall length of 35mm.
> >>
> >> One end has about 9 mm of threads.
> >>
> >> Other end has about 17mm of threads
> >>
> >> Center  section is about 9mm.
> >>
> >> New one needs to be longer.
> >>
> >> ====
> >>
> >> There you go.   What Larry failed to tell me is WHICH end that is the
> end
> >> that the starter fits over, versus the end that goes into the
> >> bellhousing.
> >
> >> For the end that the starter goes over is the end that has to be longer.
> >>
> >> Can you confirm?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 EDT
> > From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> > To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <c20.5ecaa817.3780c7ca at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Goran,
> > I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
> > in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
> > Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera
> >
> > I am already one of the outside bastards
> > with my Windsor stoker that has held together
> > longer than any other motor I have ever owned
> > No need for a Pontiac at this time
> >
> > Bob
> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> > easy
> > steps!
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> >Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:24:24 EDT
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> > To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <bfa.437a8114.3780ce28 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the
> >> middle.
> >>
> >>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain
> > anything.   For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end,
> > 17mm
> >
> > on the other end, and 9mm in the middle.   If the new stud had 17mm on
> one
> > end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread
> > it
> > further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides
> > over)
> >
> > wouldn't extend any further.
> >
> > So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the
> > increase matters.
> >
> >
> >> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
> >>
> >>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too.   So the length increase either
> has
> > to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the
> > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:25:53 -0400
> > From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <57065.1246721153 at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
> >
> > Happy Birthday America. 233 today, but don't look a day over 200!
> >
> > God Bless you all.
> >
> >
> > Larry - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:31:03 -0400
> > From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> > To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Message-ID: <44125.1246721463 at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > <<So the length increase either has to be in the middle, or the other
> end,
> > or a combination
> > of the two>>
> >
> > So your telling me that size does matter in ones stud?
> >
> > Larry (studless) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> > On Sat Jul  4 11:24 , MikeLDrew at aol.com sent:
> >
> >>
> >>In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the
> >>> middle.
> >>>
> >>>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain
> >>anything.   For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end,
> > 17mm
> >>on the other end, and 9mm in the middle.   If the new stud had 17mm on
> one
> >>end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread
> >>it
> >
> >>further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides
> > over)
> >>wouldn't extend any further.
> >>
> >>So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the
> >>increase matters.
> >>
> >>
> >>> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
> >>>
> >>>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too.   So the length increase either
> >>>>>has
> >
> >>to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the
> >>grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling\?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:32:38 EDT
> > From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Message-ID: <cab.4a807264.3780d016 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Mikey, Mikey,
> > Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
> > I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
> > supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
> > take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
> > was being fixed... the new one had some issues
> > and was being worked on... he asked me if he
> > would be satisified with the stocker
> >
> > My response was quick and NO
> > He questioned me and I told him once you
> > have experienced a car with major power it is
> > really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
> > headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
> > At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
> > and never looked back
> >
> > Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
> > why would you not want that.... and forget about the
> > mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
> > all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
> > any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
> >
> > Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> > easy
> > steps!
> > (
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> > JulystepsfooterNO62)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:07:51 EDT
> > From: SOBill at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
> > To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <cd1.53b7fa35.3780d857 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >
> > FWIW,
> >
> > I have sent Robert the electrical diagrams and a detailed  description of
> > how the headlamp doors sequence via the limit  switches.
> >
> > That should keep him out of trouble this weekend  ;<).
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > SOBill  Taylor
> > sobill at aol.com
> >
> >
> >
> > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place
> > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:13 EDT
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> > To: RCBSONS1 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Message-ID: <d3b.46a0df9e.3780e7e5 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
> >> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
> >> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
> >> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
> >> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
> >> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
> >> would be satisified with the stocker
> >>
> >> My response was quick and NO
> >>
> >>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)
> >
> >> He questioned me and I told him once you
> >> have experienced a car with major power it is
> >> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
> >> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
> >> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
> >> and never looked back
> >>
> >>>>I drove that car too.   You're right, his power is addictive!   But his
> > hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the
> car.
> >>
> >> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
> >> why would you not want that....
> >>
> >>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in
> > the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all
> > the
> > other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....
> >
> >
> >>  and forget about the
> >> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
> >> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
> >> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
> >>
> >> >>>Au contraire!   The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact
> Fernando
> > and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of
> > Napa/Yolo/Solano
> > counties just before Reno.   Only problem is that it has a bad habit of
> > popping out of third gear under trailing throttle.   As the gearbox has
> > just
> >
> > been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.
> >
> > Or, not. :<(
> >
> > But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the
> > moment--as it should be! :>)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the
> > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:36:35 -0600
> > From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> > To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Message-ID: <8DC482CBE61B4373B7CBEF764138CAAB at ZTxp>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Well, the ride I had in Mr. "FG" 's car back in '03 forever spoiled me.
> > Those gurly clevelands just don't get it anymore!  I'll never forget that
> > ride.  Thank you F "the streets are slick" G!
> >
> > (and when deRyke tells you that motor swap gives you a 3 speed unless you
> > re-gear . . .ITS THE TRUTH).
> >
> > David in Durango
> > the miata is pulling hard again!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > To: <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Cc: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> >
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
> >>> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
> >>> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
> >>> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
> >>> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
> >>> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
> >>> would be satisified with the stocker
> >>>
> >>> My response was quick and NO
> >>>
> >>>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)
> >>
> >>> He questioned me and I told him once you
> >>> have experienced a car with major power it is
> >>> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
> >>> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
> >>> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
> >>> and never looked back
> >>>
> >>>>>I drove that car too.   You're right, his power is addictive!   But
> his
> >> hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the
> >> car.
> >>>
> >>> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
> >>> why would you not want that....
> >>>
> >>>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in
> >> the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all
> >> the
> >> other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....
> >>
> >>
> >>>  and forget about the
> >>> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
> >>> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
> >>> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
> >>>
> >>> >>>Au contraire!   The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact
> >>> >>>Fernando
> >> and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of
> >> Napa/Yolo/Solano
> >> counties just before Reno.   Only problem is that it has a bad habit of
> >> popping out of third gear under trailing throttle.   As the gearbox has
> >> just
> >> been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.
> >>
> >> Or, not. :<(
> >>
> >> But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the
> >> moment--as it should be! :>)
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:36:45 +0000
> > From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> > To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> >
> > Bob, I am fixing to put a Windsor stroker (from keith Craft) in my car -
> > tell me more about yours:  when?, price (optional answer)?, who did work?
> >
> > Thanks, Bill Lewis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> >> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 -0400
> >> To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> >>
> >> Goran,
> >> I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
> >> in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
> >> Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera
> >>
> >> I am already one of the outside bastards
> >> with my Windsor stoker that has held together
> >> longer than any other motor I have ever owned
> >> No need for a Pontiac at this time
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> > easy
> >> steps!
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:51:15 EDT
> > From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> > To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <c24.635bc48b.3780f093 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our
> country!
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
> > **************
> > It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place
> > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000
> > From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <COL113-W1601E9D70DAAAE50B75D9BB2D0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > OK, now that I have your attention!
> >
> > I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> > wire-cutter
> > pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >
> > I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
> > myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
> > Craftsman
> > - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up with
> > the
> > Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you have?  Anyone know of a
> > Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just start buying!
> >
> > 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But,
> > I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> > ideas.
> > Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be
> in
> > a
> > spiral-type book.
> >
> > Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >
> > P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home
> last
> > night.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:59:05 -0600
> > From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> > To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <1D445B8B18A14D91B416BA92591E5C39 at ZTxp>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dang, between that and hangin' w/ a grandma - he'll NEVER get another
> > date.
> >
> > We love him anyway . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our
> >> country!
> >>
> >> Judy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:21:29 -0400
> > From: <cengles at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <20090704142129.4VD8Z.155275.imail at eastrmwml49>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > I have not done a restoration.
> > I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
> > digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
> > disassmbly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels for
> > parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and
> a
> > good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some
> > magazines
> > available for hobbiest restorers and you might find them with a search on
> > Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming
> > with
> > advice for the rookie restorer.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > ---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>OK, now that I have your attention!
> >>
> >>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> wire-cutter
> > pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >>
> >>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> > myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >>
> >>Two questions:
> >>
> >>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman
> > - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
> > Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> > Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
> >>
> >>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> > I'm
> > sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
> > Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> > a
> > spiral-type book.
> >>
> >>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >>
> >>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> > night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:23:32 -0400
> > From: <cengles at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <20090704142332.Q1ZAA.155282.imail at eastrmwml49>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > I have not done a restoration.
> > I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
> > digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
> > disassembly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels
> for
> > parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and
> a
> > good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some
> > magazines
> > available for hobbyist restorers and you might find them with a search on
> > Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming
> > with
> > advice for the rookie restorer.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> > ---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>OK, now that I have your attention!
> >>
> >>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> wire-cutter
> > pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >>
> >>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> > myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >>
> >>Two questions:
> >>
> >>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman
> > - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
> > Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> > Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
> >>
> >>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> > I'm
> > sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
> > Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> > a
> > spiral-type book.
> >>
> >>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >>
> >>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> > night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:54:28 -0700
> > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <4A4FA564.3020703 at emspace.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Bill
> > Call the tool counter at your neighbourhood Sears and ask them when the
> > mechanic's tool sets are going on sale next.
> > They're normally $200ish and go on at half price.
> > You could buy either an inch or metric set and also buy the opposite
> > socket set
> > 'cause you need both and they usually go on sale at the same time.
> > ( maybe $50 from regular $100)
> > dave
> >
> > Bill Lewis wrote:
> >> OK, now that I have your attention!
> >>
> >> I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> > wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >>
> >> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.
>  Me,
> > myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >>
> >> Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
> > Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep
> > up
> > with the Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you have?  Anyone know
> > of
> > a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just start buying!
> >>
> >> 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But,
> > I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> > ideas.
> > Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be
> in
> > a
> > spiral-type book.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >>
> >> P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home
> >> last
> > night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:05:27 -0700
> > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso]  Pantera Jeep
> > To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <D72EBC98-79BC-47FF-B77E-08EEE2ADB20C at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Craftsman is fine.  Ebay is good for these at lower cost.  Sears also
> > offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS
> > and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too
> > many hand tools.  You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just
> > one set of sockets....etc, etc.  You need regular depth sockets, deep
> > sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.
> > Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.
> >
> > Multi drawer tool chest.
> >
> > "Clicker" torque wrench.
> >
> > WD-40 and liquid wrench.
> >
> > A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for
> > extended length, and glass bead media.
> >
> > Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.
> >
> > Good floor jack and four good jack stands.
> >
> > Florescent trouble light.
> >
> > Good ceiling lighting  in your garage.
> >
> > Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.
> >
> > Work bench with vise.
> >
> > Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.
> >
> > Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.
> >
> > New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed
> > from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).
> >
> > Shop rags.
> >
> > Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.
> >
> > Bandages and Neosporin.
> >
> > Patience.
> >
> > High speed internet connection for research.
> >
> > eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.
> >
> > Money.
> >
> > Time.
> >
> > Understanding family.
> >
> > And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in
> > time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"
> >
> > Good luck and have fun.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:31 -0600
> > From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <78BB470D3ED742699FD851D157D20F88 at ZTxp>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Gee, you make it sound so easy . . . .
> >
> > I would add one necessary item:
> > all the good friends on the P list.
> >
> > Time to crank up the 5.0 craftsman lawnmower . . . .
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:05 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> >
> >
> >> Craftsman is fine.  Ebay is good for these at lower cost.  Sears also
> >> offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS
> >> and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too
> >> many hand tools.  You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just
> >> one set of sockets....etc, etc.  You need regular depth sockets, deep
> >> sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.
> >> Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.
> >>
> >> Multi drawer tool chest.
> >>
> >> "Clicker" torque wrench.
> >>
> >> WD-40 and liquid wrench.
> >>
> >> A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for
> >> extended length, and glass bead media.
> >>
> >> Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.
> >>
> >> Good floor jack and four good jack stands.
> >>
> >> Florescent trouble light.
> >>
> >> Good ceiling lighting  in your garage.
> >>
> >> Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.
> >>
> >> Work bench with vise.
> >>
> >> Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.
> >>
> >> Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.
> >>
> >> New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed
> >> from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).
> >>
> >> Shop rags.
> >>
> >> Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.
> >>
> >> Bandages and Neosporin.
> >>
> >> Patience.
> >>
> >> High speed internet connection for research.
> >>
> >> eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.
> >>
> >> Money.
> >>
> >> Time.
> >>
> >> Understanding family.
> >>
> >> And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in
> >> time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"
> >>
> >> Good luck and have fun.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:33:42 -0400
> > From: gpd4 <gpd4 at juno.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, rcbsons1 at aol.com
> > Message-ID: <20090704.123503.11225.9686 at mailpop04.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Go on Craigslist where you can buy tools pennies on the dollar.  Over the
> > years I have bought many complete tool sets ranging from $1,000 to
> > $20,000, all from (former, for varied reasons) mechanics that wanted to
> > sell.  Since a big tool box (empty) from Snap-On or Mac is now over $10K,
> > it does not take long to spend many times that buying tools one at a
> > time.  And definitely buy quality for the items that you will use
> > regularly.  Harbor Freight quality is fine for the tools that you may
> > only use once.
> > GPD4
> >
> > On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000 Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > writes:
> >>
> >> OK, now that I have your attention!
> >>
> >> I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> >> wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >>
> >> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.
> >>  Me, myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >>
> >> Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
> >> Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no
> >> "keep up with the Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you
> >> have?  Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or,
> >> just start buying!
> >>
> >> 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping
> >> track of parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe
> >> photos, etc.  But, I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this
> >> path and have lots of ideas.  Then it dawned on me that I may have a
> >> tracking book for one part of the project (re-doing the window
> >> raises, for instance), and then on the same day, I might work on the
> >> front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a spiral-type
> >> book.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >>
> >> P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it
> >> home last night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:18:51 -0700
> > From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> > To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <BLU136-W10EF008C5487A5DE7BDD3BBC2D0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > You are not going to believe what just happened.
> >
> > I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again)
> full.
> > However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> > phone.
> >
> > He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> > shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> > police
> > (which I was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> > least.
> > After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> > working
> > on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He
> > claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office.  I
> > explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> > office
> > (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me).  He said he was
> irritated(!)
> > that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> > beyond me).
> >
> > He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> > could
> > get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> > transporting the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him
> > put
> > on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
> >
> > He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> > mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained
> > about
> > the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> > quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> > part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
> >
> > He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the
> engine
> > builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He
> said
> > he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house
> last
> > Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> > made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> > further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
> >
> > I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> > that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> > illicited
> > another burst of disgruntlement.
> >
> > He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car
> this
> > weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing
> for
> > me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> > tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast
> as
> > I
> > can.
> >
> > As I've said before; what a nightmare.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:29:49 -0400
> > From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: rcbsons1 at aol.com, hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com,
> > Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> > Message-ID: <43367.1246746589 at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > My second car was a ???59 Jeep pickup. It had a flat head ???Hurricane???
> > straight six in it.
> >
> > I will agree with what every one else has said about what you need.
> > Craftsmen tools are very good, 90%
> > of my tools are Craftsmen, 35 years + old too.
> >
> >
> > A few things to add to your list:
> >
> > Safety glasses
> > Face shield
> > Fire extinguisher
> > Lots of lights
> > 15 different power glasses to be able to see
> > A cell phone in your pocket at all times (for more then one kind of help)
> >
> > I do not think I could do this kind of work with out my Oxygen /
> Acetylene
> > welding and cutting set.
> > The biggest thing you will find is rusted and frozen nuts and parts. Get
> > them red hot and they will
> > come off. If it is just a nut and bolt???burn it off. Fast and simple.
> >
> > Try not to burn yourself out on the project. Set small goals that you can
> > finish. Keep a ???to do??? list.
> > If you can get it running as you work on it at least you can drive it and
> > have some fun. A full restore
> > is in the range of 2,000 hours. That is 40 hours a week for 50 weeks.
> Know
> > what you are getting into.
> > Find a friend or two to help. Everyone works better when there is two to
> > do
> > it.
> >
> > This is just normal simple car work. It is not hard to learn. Try to
> > understand how it works before you
> > rip it apart. Remember I have the IQ of a rock and I can do it!
> >
> > Have fun
> >
> > Larry - Cleveland
> >
> >
> > On Sat Jul  4 13:58 , Bill Lewis  sent:
> >
> >>
> >>OK, now that I have your attention!
> >>
> >>I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> >>wire-cutter
> > pliers, and a barb-wire
> > repair tool.
> >>
> >>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
> > myself.  I have a new garage
> > area, so I have plenty of room.
> >>
> >>Two questions:
> >>
> >>1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
> > Craftsman - you can buy them
> > anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up with the Jones" mechanic.
> > What recommendations do you
> > have?  Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just
> > start buying!
> >>
> >>2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts.  I had planned on
> > using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But, I'm sure that plenty of
> > you
> > have been down this path
> > and have lots of ideas.  Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking
> > book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front
> > winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be in a spiral-type book.
> >>
> >>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >>
> >>P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home
> last
> > night.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 23
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com, Pantera Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <795485.59017.qm at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> > Bill, best to you as you enjoy both your Pantera and Jeep. Since you have
> > the
> > room, the one tool I would recommend adding to your garage is a 2-post
> > lift.
> > I installed one last Christmas and have loved it! It is particularly
> > helpful
> > for working one the Pantera, but you'll find it useful for your Jeep as
> > well.
> > Forget the cardboard for working under your vehicle.....just lift it up
> to
> > whatever height you need it and work on it. The older you get, the more
> > important it becomes. Take it from another old-guy shade-tree-mechanic,
> > get a lift and enjoy the time you spend wrenching on your cars. Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 24
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:19:41 -0500
> > From: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] US Independance day July 4
> > To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <KFEFLEOLLPODDEBIPGDFAEDBCHAA.oldwheel at mts.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hope you are all enjoying the celebration of your country's birthday!
> > I'm very thankful you are our neighbor, friend and trusted ally.
> > Sure glad your country can be counted on to stand with us for the freedom
> > of
> > Canada and other countries that can't defend themselves on their own
> > against
> > those who have other ideas. Very sad to see both our countries still
> > losing
> > brave sons and daughters in wars.
> > God bless the United States of America.
> > Best wishes to you all.
> > Barry
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 25
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:39:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> > From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> > To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>, Pantera List Serve
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > <28740315.1246750759586.JavaMail.root at elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I feel for you Chris... I have a personal mechanic that comes to my shop.
> > It
> > keeps me in better control of what happens...I hope this ends well and
> > soon
> > for you.. Bill 1362
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> >>Sent: Jul 4, 2009 4:18 PM
> >>To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >>Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> >>
> >>
> >>You are not going to believe what just happened.
> >>
> >>I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again)
> full.
> > However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> > phone.
> >>
> >>He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> > shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> > police
> > (which I was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> > least.
> > After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> > working
> > on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He
> > claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office.  I
> > explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> > office
> > (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me).  He said he was
> irritated(!)
> > that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> > beyond me).
> >>
> >>He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> >>could
> > get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> > transporting the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him
> > put
> > on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
> >>
> >>He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> > mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained
> > about
> > the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> > quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> > part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
> >>
> >>He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the
> engine
> > builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He
> said
> > he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house
> last
> > Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> > made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> > further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
> >>
> >>I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> > that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> > illicited
> > another burst of disgruntlement.
> >>
> >>He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car
> this
> > weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
> >>
> >>As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing
> for
> > me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> > tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast
> as
> > I
> > can.
> >>
> >>As I've said before; what a nightmare.
> >>
> >>Sincerely,
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 26
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:41:43 -0600
> > From: "Kerry Maguire" <kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso]  Pandora--Unbelievable!
> > To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > <F16722428795074BAC907CEE7272EED70EA6AA at win2k3server1.pioneercentres.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I am sorry but this story is like a train wreck. It is terrible to look
> > at,
> > but you cannot turn your eyes away.
> >
> > Best of luck to you!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kerry M. Maguire #5606
> >
> >
> > You are not going to believe what just happened.
> >
> > I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again)
> full.
> > However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> > phone.
> >
> > He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> > shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> > police
> > (which I was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> > least.
> > After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> > working
> > on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He
> > claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office.  I
> > explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> > office
> > (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me).  He said he was
> irritated(!)
> > that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> > beyond me).
> >
> > He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> > could
> > get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> > transporting the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him
> > put
> > on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
> >
> > He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> > mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained
> > about
> > the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> > quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> > part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
> >
> > He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the
> engine
> > builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He
> said
> > he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house
> last
> > Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> > made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> > further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
> >
> > I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> > that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> > illicited
> > another burst of disgruntlement.
> >
> > He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car
> this
> > weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing
> for
> > me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> > tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast
> as
> > I
> > can.
> >
> > As I've said before; what a nightmare.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 27
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:14:50 -0400
> > From: dickruzzindesign <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] US Independance day July 4
> > To: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>, DetomasoList
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <F9A9B6D9.518E.4DF6.AB5B.8CA71FC29023 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Barry,
> > Very true Barry, but a lot of us are starting to worry here in the USA
> > about
> > enemies from within.
> > I just came home from a "TEA PARTY". ?It was great to meet and speak with
> > other Americans who are also concerned about the future of this wonderful
> > country.
> >
> > God Bless You and Canada.
> > --
> > All the best, Dick Ruzzin.
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > dickruzzinDESIGN at aol.com
> > 920 Whittier Rd. Grosse Pointe Park, MI 48230 /?Phone: +313-824-0539
> > ?Cell:
> > 313-300-9558
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 28
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:44:33 -0400
> > From: "Jim Hendrickson" <chendric at bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: "'Bill Lewis'" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, <rcbsons1 at aol.com>,
> > <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <CE7D09BADD174CB888BE25ECAE19BED1 at HPDESKTOP>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since you will be working on a 50 year old vehicle, I would recommend you
> > get six point sockets and box end wrenches. Also have a good supply of PB
> > Blaster on hand.
> >
> > http://www.pbblaster.com/
> >
> > http://blasterchemical.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4
> >
> > Jim #04091
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Bill Lewis
> > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:59 PM
> > To: rcbsons1 at aol.com; hemipanter at hemipanter.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> >
> >
> > OK, now that I have your attention!
> >
> > I am not a mechanic.  I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> > wire-cutter
> > pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
> >
> > I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.  Me,
> > myself.  I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > 1.  I need to buy a bunch of tools.  I'm going to stick with Sears
> > Craftsman
> > - you can buy them anywhere.  Lifetime guarantee.  I'm no "keep up with
> > the
> > Jones" mechanic.  What recommendations do you have?  Anyone know of a
> > Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me?  Or, just start buying!
> >
> > 2.  Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> > parts.  I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc.  But,
> > I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> > ideas.
> > Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> > project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> > day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember).  So, it can't be
> in
> > a
> > spiral-type book.
> >
> > Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
> >
> > P.S.  BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado.  Trailered it home
> last
> > night.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 29
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:01:22 -0400
> > From: pantdino at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <8CBCB340333CBEA-141C-8B26 at webmail-dh21.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > The Pantera is a small car????
> >
> > Anyway I think you are right. It sounds like he decided you were
> > serious about wanting your car back so, against his natural tendencies,
> > he is working hard on it.  Probably best to let him finish the job at
> > this point.
> >
> > We just have to hope  that he is capable of fast AND good work.
> >
> > I have a friend whose restorer has been "working" on his (my friend's)
> > old Porsche for like 15 years.  Some people have a strange idea of how
> > fast things should progress.  I would have changed restorers 10 years
> > ago, but my friend tolerates the situation.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> > To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:18 pm
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> >
> >
> >
> > You are not going to believe what just happened.
> >
> > I tried (again) to call the mechanic.  His voice mailbox was (again)
> > full.
> > However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on
> > his phone.
> >
> > He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach
> > his shop's
> > landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the police
> > (which I
> > was).  Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the least.
> > After a
> > barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been working on
> > the car
> > for the last three days, and was trying to get it done.  He claimed he
> > had tried
> > to call me back several times, but got my office.  I explained that's
> > what
> > happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the office (why he didn't
> > leave a
> > message is beyond me).  He said he was irritated(!) that I had tried to
> > call him
> > so much (why he didn't return my calls is beyond me).
> >
> > He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> > could get
> > the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> > transporting
> > the car a bit tricky).  I told him I'd be glad to help him put on the
> > rear deck,
> > or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
> >
> > He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> > mechanic,
> > but he'd been doing this for 37 years.  He again complained about the
> > small size
> > of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as quickly as it
> > should, and
> > that he would get it done, and (here's the bad part): he had never
> > worked on a
> > Pantera before!
> >
> > He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the
> > engine
> > builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work).  He
> > said he
> > thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
> > Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement
> > really made
> > him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> > further, well,
> > he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
> >
> > I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine,
> > but that he
> > did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which illicited
> > another
> > burst of disgruntlement.
> >
> > He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car
> > this
> > weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon.  The smart thing
> > for me to
> > do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or tomorrow,
> > have him
> > deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as I can.
> >
> > As I've said before; what a nightmare.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
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> > Message: 30
> > Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:37:23 -0400
> > From: mikeldrew at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> > To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com, rcbsons1 at aol.com, hemipanter at hemipanter.se,
> > detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <8CBCB49CEA8C8A6-E74-5229 at WEBMAIL-DY26.sysops.aol.com>
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> > Bill,
> >
> > With respect to parts organization--get yourself hundreds of ziplock
> > bags in different sizes, 3x5 index cards and a marker.  Before you take
> > anything apart, shoot plenty of photos with a digital camera.  Keep a
> > log each day of the photos that you shot.
> >
> > When you take a certain assembly apart, put all the various bits and
> > pieces that go together into a single bag.  If there are subassemblies,
> > put them in smaller bags inside a single larger bag.  Put a labelled
> > 3x5 card inside each bag clearly stating what everything is.  And if
> > there is anything not immediately obvious, print out and enclose photos
> > of the assembled assembly.
> >
> > You can never have too many tools.  I started off buying a three-chest
> > Craftsman tool kit--three boxes, and a fairly comprehensive assortment
> > of tools, for about $1400.  Many of the tools I've never used, but the
> > others have paid for themselves many times over.
> >
> > Over the years I found the need to buy three more tool chests, and have
> > filled them up with even more tools.  Precision stuff warrants quality,
> > but for things like prybars, hammers, cleaning brushes, etc. etc.
> > Harbor Freight can't be beat.
> >
> > HF's step drill package (three different step drills for $9.99) may
> > well be the best dollar-for-dollar tool investment you make. :>)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 31
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:22:47 -0700
> > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for parts
> > To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <4A5046B7.2030100 at asajay.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Looking for all the following parts, if you have spares you'd be willing
> > to part with, please let me know:  Reasonable prices appreciated.
> >
> > - Muffler hangers (the rubber piece)  both mine are shot
> > - Seat belt harness bar (the single bar that goes from shoulder harness
> > bolt to should harness bolt, 1973 L model, I won't have the roll cage
> > installed right away).
> > - Shift boot, mine is torn to heck (I see Wilkinson has a nice price on
> > them currently)
> > - Heater Hot/Cold cable lever (mine has no paddle on it anymore, must
> > use pliers to move.
> >
> > I live in Spokane, WA.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Asa Jay
> >
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> >
> > 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
> > 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
> >
> > ******************************
> > http://www.asajay.com
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 32
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:29:02 -0700
> > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headers to muffler connection
> > To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <4A50482E.1000801 at asajay.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > I believe I have a set of headers for a Pantera laying in my dad's
> > garage.  I've had these for going on 10 years or so I think.  I keep
> > forgetting I have them.  My present exhaust is stock and uses a good old
> > fashioned exhaust donut (muffler bearing) to seal the manifold to the
> > muffler pipe near the front of the rear a-arms.  This works well as the
> > stock manifold has pipe protruding from the flange that the donut slips
> > over to keep it in place.
> >
> > The Headers have no such "stick-out."  So what is the recommendation?
> > - Flat gaskets to mate the two?
> > - Some kind of donut?
> > - What kind of material?
> >
> > If these -are- Pantera headers.... .I might as well stick them in now
> > while the car is in the air and I'm waiting for other parts to arrive.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> >
> > 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
> > 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
> >
> > ******************************
> > http://www.asajay.com
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 33
> > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 02:40:10 EDT
> > From: SOBill at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for parts
> > To: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <ca5.439ae1a1.3781a4ca at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Database says:
> >
> > _www.international-auto.com_ (http://www.international-auto.com)
>  muffler
> > hangers  International Auto Parts Alfa-FIAT  $3.95 each. PN#  64150
> > 800-726-0555  65 to 74 GTs/GTVs
> >
> > SOBill  Taylor
> > sobill at aol.com
> >
> >
> >
> > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place
> > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 34
> > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:46:41 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] engine oil
> > To: "Detomaso at Realbig.  Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <673535.60351.qm at web23807.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >
> > After a lot of diskusion on this forum i was concerned of getting the
> > right
> > oil for my Pantera. The gas station here onley have the new stuf. After a
> > little serch i found a garage seller who sell an oil name DYNOCAT.
> > He had the option Supreme Classic GT 10W - 40. On the can it says it has
> > Zinc 1350 ppm / Phosphorus 1150ppm. Anybody know about this oil?
> > Best regards  ?  Gudmund Froiland  ?6872
> >
> >
> >      _________________________________________________________
> > Alt i ett. F? Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og
> > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 35
> > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:33:49 +0200
> > From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] engine oil
> > To: "Detomaso at Realbig.  Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Message-ID: <000f01c9fd54$eebb1cd0$0401a8c0 at bluff>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Gudmund,
> >
> > I have not heard about them before but they seem to be located in Norway.
> > Maybe they only sell their products in Norway?
> > http://www.dynocat.no
> >
> > Tomas
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "gudmund fr?land" <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> > To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:46 AM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] engine oil
> >
> >
> >> After a lot of diskusion on this forum i was concerned of getting the
> > right oil for my Pantera. The gas station here onley have the new stuf.
> > After a little serch i found a garage seller who sell an oil name
> DYNOCAT.
> >> He had the option Supreme Classic GT 10W - 40. On the can it says it has
> > Zinc 1350 ppm / Phosphorus 1150ppm. Anybody know about this oil?
> >> Best regards    Gudmund Froiland  6872
> >>
> >>
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