And I needed it there which is why the 11 ga plate. This is so over the top and it is close to where it needs to be not to mentioned the box frames it's all attached to underneath. hemipanter at hemipanter.se wrote: > It shoul also joint to the coilover > bracket in some way, not at a distance from it. > http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/ladder/pad1.jpg > >