[DeTomaso] Several comments & questions

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>  After 20+ years I've still got a "ohhhh-sheeeit-I-just-ate-the-canary-grin" on my face. If I could just find one woman that could do that...okaynever mind - just kidding ;-]>

Have you tried 3 or 4?

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>From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 2, 2008 6:59 PM
>To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>, 'michael frazier' <red3644 at hotmail.com>, 'pantera list' <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Several comments & questions
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>To me 180's like IR-EFI is just something I always wanted....I just couldn't afford either one for the 1st 8-10 years I owned the Pantera.
>   
>  Obviously no one (but mine) came from the factory with this equipment! ;-]>
>   
>  But to be honest I could not of cared less if I gained or lost HP.... You own a Pantera with 500 RWHP that can be driven on the street, or the track or any open road race that sounds like a screaming bangee at 180 mph...and you can catch up and pass a Viper, Porsche or Vette at Silver State ...man, thats a beautiful thing.
>   
>  None of it was cheap...... but the 180's surprisingly made  HP increases in the midrange to top end I never counted on or expected.........and the IR-EFI system that Mike Trusty built actually made more HP & TQ completely across the rpm range ffrom low to high....that was a big surprise to me...not necessarily to Mike.  
>   
>  And the most important reward for me is the grins and the nods of approval I get from everyone who sees or hears the Pantera. 
>   
>  After 20+ years I've still got a "ohhhh-sheeeit-I-just-ate-the-canary-grin" on my face. If I could just find one woman that could do that...okaynever mind - just kidding ;-]>
>   
>  dawg, just counting my blessings
>   
>  Dawg, considering going Rat Rod black for 2009 ORR Season  
>Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>  180 Headers? After hours (actually minutes) of research if found that
>more of the 70s era prototypes an road racers didnot actually use 180s,
>seemed to be a Ford GT thing. I've seem many T-70s, Chapparals, McClarens
>etc. which just used longtube headers and a cross over behind the
>collectors. Since I've heard so many comments about the 180s on Panteras
>beingmore visual than functional I started wondering about this. I know the
>advantages of longer smooth flowing tubes, but you'dget the fancy schmancy
>looks and not have the suspension interference issues...easier to build and
>less connections too.
>
>***I'm guessing that this is because 180 degree headers are typically only
>used on a particular type of crank design... Basically connecting a
>Ford-style crank to 180 degree headers connects the cylinders to the same
>header pipe as a flat-plane crank with "normal" headers. Hence the sound of
>a 180-degree system on a Pantera engine converts the sound to a more
>Ferrari-like one because the engine pulses are evened out on a flat plane.
>The uneven firing of the Cleveland that gives the lumpiness is eliminated by
>filling in the "gap" of firing by bringing an exhaust pipe over from the
>other side of the engine - one that *is* firing. 
>
>Wow, what a lousy job of trying to explain that, but my point was that I
>wonder if the Chapparals, McClarens, etc use a flat-plane crank? The
>McClaren may, being Mercedes?
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