[DeTomaso] white P for sale

[Barry Seib]

Hi Ken,

We probably think much the same on this. I consider my own car "customized"
because I've made mechanical and electrical changes to suit my own opinions
and tastes. I didn't mean "customized" in a negative way, but as a word to
describe "no longer 100% stock and original". I'm just saying that some
respect for Pantera originality would be a healthy thing for the marque.
Although you and I have modified our cars in some ways, I think we can agree
that we respect and admire a car that has survived unmolested and original
as a point of reference. There are plenty of myths circulating about what
was original and a car like this with 101 miles on it goes a long way to
straightening that stuff out. I meant that a litle respect for originality
would have a positive effect on ALL our Panteras. I would hope one of the
effects of more solid values would be more truly good reproductions of
original 71-74 parts. My experience at trying to obtain real equals of
original parts from the vendors has not been all good.


I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that most Pantera owners love the original
look of the 71-74 Ford program cars. It seems strange then, that so many
have been changed to something else.

It appears that eventually a lot of early Panteras may end up overseas where
they seem to be valued more highly than in North America.
Buying them back someday would cost a fortune later, because of the hefty
import taxes and shipping that people are paying to import them to other
countries now. We may be short of Panteras some day because they are so
undervalued here now.

Oh well...we've got ours anyway and it is wonderful group of people that own
Panteras. I've certainly experienced that.

Barry



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:26 PM
  To: DetomasoList; kevin at jmadv.com; partsman912 at aol.com; Barry Seib
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] white P for sale



        Barry,

            I think most Pantera owners love the original look of the cars,
and try to avoid anything changing the look.  But they also value
performance over mechanical originality, so if you can make the care more
reliable or faster, without changing the look, it's a non issue.  I'm not
sure which you refer to by "customized".
            One reason I bought my current Pantera was because they do not
have inflated "collector's value" so you are paying for hardware, not
exclusivity.  If the collector's value grows, it will be the end of the
little guy building his dream car in his garage.

        Ken

        --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Barry Seib <oldwheel at mts.net> wrote:

          From: Barry Seib <oldwheel at mts.net>
          Subject: [DeTomaso] white P for sale
          To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>, kevin at jmadv.com,
partsman912 at aol.com
          Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:58 PM


Hear Hear!

Until there is a lot more respect for original Panteras among owners
themselves, the customized ones are going to be regarded as defective toys
for kids to play with (kit cars) by the masses at large.

Bear in mind also, that "collectors" are despised by a large
proportion of
current Pantera owners for the very reason that they are concerned with
investment value, originality, etc.

After more than five years as a Pantera owner, I've come to understand that
originality is valued right up there with leprosy in most Pantera circles. A
lot of what is sometimes called "original" isn't even original.

I love the Ford program cars the way they looked when they were made, but
ike most, I can't resist electrical/mechanical improvements. I'm doing
my
best to keep all the appearances "original" though, because I like it
that
way.

Each to his own, but no harm in some respect for the cars the way they
started out.

Barry


Kevin Murphy kevin at jmadv.com
Wed Nov 19 12:49:32 CST 2008


Granted it would need work to be a "driver", still cheaper than total
restoration of a driven and neglected car though.
But why would you even consider purchasing this car as a "driver"?
There are a ton of "driver" Panteras out there.
This car is now a piece of history and should be preserved as is.
I think it's great that everyone loves to customize their cars but if there
was more respect for these original survivors such as judged preservation
classes for POCA sanctioned shows I think we would see an increase in car
values. These higher Pantera values we all want to see can only happen when
there is more demand than supply. IMHO getting more preservation collectors
into our fold would help with increased demand and values.

Murph



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