[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 47, Issue 9 IGNITION TROUBLE

Mon Jun 9 08:55:41 EDT 2008

Quick and easy thing to do is pull the distributor out, (you may want to 
scratch some alignment marks on it first so you can get it back in the same 
place without losing the current timing reference)...I guess you don't want 
to complicate matters at this stage!
Have a look at the drive gear pin and if it looks ok,.. still be 
suspicious....best check is to clamp the shaft end in a soft jaw vice and 
then try twisting the gear with your hand at full strength...I found mine 
shifted on the shaft and moved back to it's original position due to the pin 
being split about 60% along it's length...enough to look ok but when under 
load flexed and lost the timing. The symptoms were that it started, ticked 
over, ran under light throttle openings but mis-fired and lost all power on 
any kind of quick or firm throttle opening. (I was doing Nurburgring at the 
time....big embarrassment being passed whilst popping and farting at 40 mph 
by tourist coach) ..Rectified it by replacing old pin with a single coil 
roll pin (4mm from memory) and then pressed a smaller one(2mm from memory) 
inside that, hence doubled up...all been well for about 10 years 
now......good luck.
Colin Bradshaw UK
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:02:12 +0200
> From: " J?rn C. Olsen " <joernco at online.no>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
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> Hi!
> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and 
> lost power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same 
> result.  On friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees. 
> I don`t understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed 
> it to 30 degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back 
> to 30 degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong 
> when I drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in 
> the left exhaust.
> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
> Anybody??
>
> J.C
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:20:54 -0500
> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: 'J?rn C. Olsen' <joernco at online.no>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Is it the original Ford damper?  It may have slipped.  That would explain
> the timing slipping.  It wouldn't explain the misfiring, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of J?rn C. Olsen
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>
> Hi!
> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and 
> lost
> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result. 
> On
> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to 
> 30
> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the 
> left
> exhaust.
> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
> Anybody??
>
> J.C
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:56:58 +0200
> From: " J?rn C. Olsen " <joernco at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> No, I have an aftermarked damper, don`t remember the fabrication.
>
> J.C
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> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'J?rn C. Olsen'" <joernco at online.no>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
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>> Is it the original Ford damper?  It may have slipped.  That would explain
>> the timing slipping.  It wouldn't explain the misfiring, though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of J?rn C. Olsen
>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:02 PM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>>
>> Hi!
>> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and
>> lost
>> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result.
>> On
>> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
>> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to
>> 30
>> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
>> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
>> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the
>> left
>> exhaust.
>> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
>> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
>> Anybody??
>>
>> J.C
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:19:38 +0200
> From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: " 'J?rn C. Olsen' " <joernco at online.no>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> J?rn,
> Could it be that for unknown reasons,the timing of your camshaft has
> slipped?Driven by the camshaft,the distributor and thereby the
> ign.timing,will be affected,and when you get your ignition right by
> adjusting it,you still have the wrong camshaft timing.
>
> Best regards
> ?yvind Bakken
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> vegne av J?rn C. Olsen
> Sendt: 8. juni 2008 22:02
> Til: detomaso at realbig.com
> Emne: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>
> Hi!
> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and 
> lost
> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result. 
> On
> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to 
> 30
> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the 
> left
> exhaust.
> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
> Anybody??
>
> J.C
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:44:48 +0200
> From: " J?rn C. Olsen " <joernco at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> How can I check that without pulling the engine out of the car?
>
> J.C.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>
> To: "'J?rn C. Olsen'" <joernco at online.no>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
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>> J?rn,
>> Could it be that for unknown reasons,the timing of your camshaft has
>> slipped?Driven by the camshaft,the distributor and thereby the
>> ign.timing,will be affected,and when you get your ignition right by
>> adjusting it,you still have the wrong camshaft timing.
>>
>> Best regards
>> ?yvind Bakken
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> P?
>> vegne av J?rn C. Olsen
>> Sendt: 8. juni 2008 22:02
>> Til: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Emne: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>>
>> Hi!
>> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and
>> lost
>> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result.
>> On
>> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
>> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to
>> 30
>> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
>> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
>> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the
>> left
>> exhaust.
>> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
>> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
>> Anybody??
>>
>> J.C
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:12:12 +0200
> From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: " 'J?rn C. Olsen' " <joernco at online.no>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> I have never performed it on a pantera,but with the help of a degree wheel
> and some homemade remedies and the specification for your camshaft,it 
> should
> be possible if not easy to check it out.Heres a good link explaining the
> procedure:
> http://www.circletrack.com/enginetech/ctrp_0805_camshaft_timing/index.html
>
> ?yvind
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: J?rn C. Olsen [mailto:joernco at online.no]
> Sendt: 8. juni 2008 23:45
> Til: Dagny Kristine Bakken; detomaso at realbig.com
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>
> How can I check that without pulling the engine out of the car?
>
> J.C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dagny Kristine Bakken" <dagny-kr at online.no>
> To: "'J?rn C. Olsen'" <joernco at online.no>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>
>
>> J?rn,
>> Could it be that for unknown reasons,the timing of your camshaft has
>> slipped?Driven by the camshaft,the distributor and thereby the
>> ign.timing,will be affected,and when you get your ignition right by
>> adjusting it,you still have the wrong camshaft timing.
>>
>> Best regards
>> ?yvind Bakken
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> P?
>> vegne av J?rn C. Olsen
>> Sendt: 8. juni 2008 22:02
>> Til: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Emne: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>>
>> Hi!
>> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and
>> lost
>> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result.
>> On
>> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
>> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to
>> 30
>> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
>> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
>> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the
>> left
>> exhaust.
>> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
>> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
>> Anybody??
>>
>> J.C
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:49:25 -0400
> From: fresnofinches at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Just pull the distributor and inspect your gear pin.
>
> Really sounds like that could be the problem.
>
> Larry
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:31:45 -0700
> From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
> To: J?rn C. Olsen <joernco at online.no>, "Will Kooiman"
> <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>     Could still be a bad damper?  Just because it is aftermarket,  doesn't
> mean it didn't go bad.  When my stock damper went bad,  I thought it had 
> an
> ignition problem,  I thought it was missing.  I replaced the cap,  rotor 
> and
> plugs,  obviously to no avail.  It took me a month to figure it out.
>
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J?rn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>
> To: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
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>
>> No, I have an aftermarked damper, don`t remember the fabrication.
>>
>> J.C
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'J?rn C. Olsen'" <joernco at online.no>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>>
>>
>>> Is it the original Ford damper?  It may have slipped.  That would 
>>> explain
>>> the timing slipping.  It wouldn't explain the misfiring, though.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of J?rn C. Olsen
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:02 PM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ignition truble
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> On my first drive this summer with my Pantera it started to misfire and
>>> lost
>>> power.  Tried to change the spark plugs and the cables but same result.
>>> On
>>> friday we checked the ignition timing and it showed 0 degrees.  I don`t
>>> understand that because the distributor was not loose and we timed it to
>>> 30
>>> degrees when we had it in the dyno last year.  We timed it back to 30
>>> degrees and it became better but I can feel it is something wrong when I
>>> drive it.  It has not full power and has a small klicking sound in the
>>> left
>>> exhaust.
>>> I run it with an MSD Billett distributor and a MSD 6AL ignition box.
>>> Can it be the distributor pin who is giving up slowly?
>>> Anybody??
>>>
>>> J.C
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