[DeTomaso] starting problems

[Robert Simpson]

Richard,

I own a 1973 Australian Ford Falcon, the old girl has the original engine 
and starter.  The exact same scenario has happened to me, it's your starter, 
the old starters tend to slow when hot.  There are several small high torque 
starters on the market that can solve your problems, someone here may know 
of a model and part number.

I haven't purchased a new starter yet, it's on the to-do list.

Best regards

Bob Simpson
72 Pre-L #3468
73 Aussie Ford Falcon XB/GS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RKMosier at aol.com>
To: <edlebby at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>; <SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] starting problems


> My problem similar to this went like this:
> Battery good.  Original starter.  When cold car would start just  fine. 
> When
> hot car would hardly turn over sometimes taking 3 tries to  start.  Before 
> it
> would start often I would smell gas as if it  flooded.  Usually holding 
> the
> pedal to the floor would help the car finally  start.  I tried all the 
> usual
> suggestions, battery, grounding, carb  adjustment suggested by the forum. 
> The
> last thing I did was replace the  starter per a forum suggestion.  Problem
> solved.  Engine starts hot or  cold now.  Problem went away.  Bye the way 
> I went
> with the Tilton  starter.  A bit up there in price but works great.
>
> Richard
>
>
> In a message dated 2/13/2008 2:03:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time (Mex,
> edlebby at yahoo.com writes:
>
> George,  Jack - many thanks - I will look in to all of this.
>
> Jack - what gauge  wire is "large" in your book...10g?
>
> George...one follow on  question...what you say makes good sense for the 
> shut
> off restart when  warm...that is i am being left with a flooded
> condition...but why would that  cause the starter to be so sluggish? - i 
> was kind of
> thinking that the heat  was effecting it...but "i don't know nuttin!" - 
> also, does
> the needle and seat  root cause explain the cold start problems for you? -
> thanks! -  stephen
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "JDeRyke at aol.com"  <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> To: edlebby at yahoo.com;  detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:18:11  PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] starting problems
>
> In a message dated  2/13/08 11:51:26 AM, edlebby at yahoo.com writes:
> snip.....
>
> whenever  the car stops, after fully warmed up, and i try to restart it, 
> the
> starter  motor is extremely sluggish, might turn over once...pause a 
> second or
> two...again...and so on - the only way it will restart is if the pedal is 
> at
> WOT - at first i thought it was the starter engine...but then JT said it 
> was
> probably the battery - so put new connectors on the battery cables, 
> cleaned
> the zf ground and the starter wires - that improved things alot for 
> awhile -
> but now i am back to where i was (even worse) - thoughts?
>
>
> This  could be the result of a minor carb malfunction, but my first move 
> is
> to add a  SECOND large diameter ground wire running from a shiny bare spot 
> on
> the  subframe to either the engine block or the ZF cases- sometimes both! 
> Then
> I'd  swap the stock starter for a modern gear-drive mini-starter; there 
> are
> many  brands our vendors sell that fit properly & will spin a 
> high-compression
> engine far better than any stock one. My 12-yr-old McLeod mini-starter- 
> based
> on the Hitachi starter motor, spins a smoking-hot 10-1/2:1 compression 
> 351-C
> almost as rapidly as when the engine is cold. All gear-drive starters are
> about half the weight and physically smaller, so the starter is unaffected 
> by
> header heat without the need for a shield. Try these & let us know how 
> they
> work- J DeRyke
>
>
>
>
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