[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 49, Issue 28 reply to message #1
Louis Christensen
lchristensen at dr-ny.com
Thu Aug 28 15:35:10 EDT 2008
I purchased a big block ford stroker kit to build up a 460 from
Speed-O-Motive and have had great results. I had an engine builder
double check rod weights and piston weights and they were production
engine worthy. Of course a meticulous engine builder will want to take
the weight deltas out to a helium nano-lightband, so I had to keep
reeling him in. Call them on the phone, they were more than helpful.
Chris Christensen
Quality Manager
Dayton Rogers Corp
585-349-9326
585-349-4049 fax
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fw: Fw: Engine rebuild (Henrik Svensson)
2. Re: Survey info (John Taphorn)
3. Re: NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
(Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT)
4. Rear Strut camber bar from IPS Colorado (Tom Baranek-Home)
5. electric diagram (Garth Rodericks)
6. Re: CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a ZF -2
gearbox by itself? (JDeRyke at aol.com)
7. Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals (Garth Rodericks)
8. Re: Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals (Lynn Wall)
9. Re: electric diagram (JDeRyke at aol.com)
10. Re: Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals
(JDeRyke at aol.com)
11. 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install? (chris terp)
12. Re: 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install?
(Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
13. Re: Survey info (msm at portata.com)
14. Fw: CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a ZF
-2gearbox by itself? (Daniel Miller)
15. Re: Survey info (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
16. electric diagram (Barry Seib)
17. Your car featured in a Magazine? (ProvaMo.com)
18. Re: Seattle Italian Concours d'Elegance (ProvaMo.com)
19. Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers (Bjoern Flesland)
20. Re: Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers (ProvaMo.com)
21. Clever Clutch Assist (Ken Green)
22. Re: Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
23. Re: Damaged Hood and Decklid (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
24. Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally. (msm at portata.com)
25. Re: NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
(MikeLDrew at aol.com)
26. Re: Fw: CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF-2gearbox by itself? (Mike Thomas)
27. Re: NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
(MikeLDrew at aol.com)
28. Re: NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
(MikeLDrew at aol.com)
29. Re: Seattle Italian Concours d'Elegance + Lambo Youtube
(Mike Thomas)
30. Re: Clever Clutch Assist (wkooiman at earthlink.net)
31. Re: Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally. (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
32. Re: 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
33. Re: Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
34. Re: Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit (Dan Mixon)
35. Re: Clever Clutch Assist (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
36. Re: Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit (Charles Engles)
37. NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
(Trevor Fougere)
38. Re: Clever Clutch Assist (Ken Green)
39. Got Cleve? (tony DiGiovanna)
40. Cleve Pistons (tony DiGiovanna)
41. Re: Clever Clutch Assist (ProvaMo.com)
42. Fiberglass Hoods (Ron McCall)
43. Re: Clever Clutch Assist (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
44. NPC Fw: A Ride Around Nurburgring In A ZR-1 Corvette (Curt Hall)
45. Re: Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally. (msm at portata.com)
46. Toyo Proxes ST tires for your original 15" Campys
(Garth Rodericks)
47. Toyo Proxes ST tires for your original 15" Campys
(Garth Rodericks)
48. Re: Fw: Engine rebuild (Henrik Svensson)
49. Overheating update (Will Demelo)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:06:45 +0200
From: Henrik Svensson <Henrik.Svensson at gda.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Engine rebuild
To: 'Will Demelo' <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Hehe, another (gay) guy...
Thanks for the info about stroker #1
/H
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F?r Will Demelo
Skickat: den 27 augusti 2008 11:43
Till: detomaso at realbig.com
?mne: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Engine rebuild
Another gay?
The crank and rods had to be machined. I'm sure if you buy a quality kit
it'll work out. Just like anything you buy.. if something is much
cheaper than the others, there's a reason..
Will
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From: "Henrik Svensson" <Henrik.Svensson at gda.se>
To: "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:56 AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
Hi
I've heard about another gay with the same experience. Did you need to
machine the crank or the block?
My worries about buying the part separately is to get parts that works
good together. I'm rebuilding the car myself and it seems safer to by
parts as a kit...
Henrik (stroker #1)
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On Behalf Of Will Demelo
Sent: den 26 augusti 2008 23:08
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
I'm having a new stroker Clevor built. My builder prefers to buy the
components induvidually. My last stroker kit was on the cheap side and
required add'l machine work.
Will ( stroker #2)
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From: "Henrik Svensson" <Henrik.Svensson at gda.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine rebuild
>
> Hi
>
> I'm looking to by a Stroker kit to my Cleveland
>
> I found one at Speed-O-Motive at a good price.
>
> Anyone with experience of shopping at Speed-O-Motive? Any other
> suggestions where to by the kit.
>
> /Henrik
> #1477
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:46:05 -0500
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Survey info
To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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That is funny. I imagine it is a matter of one's perspective. I
suppose it
is equally accurate to mention that as a result there will be fewer
flights
from Reno to Las Vegas.
JT
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:27 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Survey info
> Just heard on the news that one of the airlines is discontinuing
several
> flights from Vegas to Reno at this time. Something to consider when
> filling out
> the possible Rally relocation survey.
>
> Judy
> VP
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:20:28 -0500
From: "Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT" <Konrad.Szwab at AlconLabs.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike
Week...
To: "Torbjoern Harlem" <torbharl at online.no>, "Garth Rodericks"
<garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, "Detomaso Pantera"
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Yes, with a very complicated torsion bars suspension system and
interleaved road wheels that made changing damaged torsion bars quite
time consuming.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:50 PM
To: Garth Rodericks; Detomaso Pantera
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike
Week...
Isn`t a tank with name Panther
The WW2 German tank I belive.
Torbjorn
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> Sent: 2008-08-26 22:41:07 CEST
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
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> These guys know how to have fun
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FYC5Ou0rXA&feature=user
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:14:53 -0400
From: "Tom Baranek-Home" <tbaranek at earthlink.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Strut camber bar from IPS Colorado
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Anybody using this part?
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] electric diagram
To: torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no, detomaso at realbig.com
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Check here first:
http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
?
Not exactly what you're looking for, but the "Full Size Diagrams" about
2/3's of the way down the page may help. You might also check with Kirk
Evans at Amerisport and/or Roland Jackel.
?
Again, thanks to Bill Taylor (SOBill) for creating the electrical
diagrams above, and Mike Dailey for hosting them on his site for all of
us.
?
Cheers!
Garth
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:04:10 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF -2 gearbox by itself?
To: classicmusclecars at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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Mine weighed 155 lbs with the bellhousing and clutch cross-shaft
mechanism.
Good luck- J DeRyke
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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I just stumbled upon this in an overheating thread on the PI board and
thought it worth passing along.
(Source:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/7950042965)
?
There?s a company in New Mexico that can take your Veglia gauges and
install VDO
internals with a matched sending unit. This will make the gauges read
correctly and still
maintain the original look of the gauge set. The poster reports that a
friend just did this
with his car and the set up works great.
?
This is the company that modified the Veglia gauges:
Margaret Lucas
Mo Ma Manufacturing - instrument repair
13211 Second Street. NW
Albuquerque, NM 87102
Ph: (505) 766-6661; Fax: (505) 766-5419
momanm at aol.com
?
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:13:59 -0600
From: "Lynn Wall" <cars at wt-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals
To: <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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All,
for what its worth I have had her rebuild all my gauges in my Sunbeam
Tiger
and she was GREAT to work with. She is the "go-to" person for all gauge
rebuilding for the Sunbeam Tigers (and I'm sure many others). As some
of
you know Tigers suffer from overheating issues as well and she took my
Temp
gauge and my sending unit and calibrated them together.
I give her a STRONG recommendation.
Lynn (owner of two cars with overheating issues but due to length of
restoration it is doubtful that I will ever have issues at the same
time)
-----Original Message-----
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On
Behalf Of Garth Rodericks
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:05 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals
I just stumbled upon this in an overheating thread on the PI board and
thought it worth passing along.
(Source:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/7950042965)
?
There?s a company in New Mexico that can take your Veglia gauges and
install
VDO
internals with a matched sending unit. This will make the gauges read
correctly and still
maintain the original look of the gauge set. The poster reports that a
friend just did this
with his car and the set up works great.
?
This is the company that modified the Veglia gauges:
Margaret Lucas
Mo Ma Manufacturing - instrument repair
13211 Second Street. NW
Albuquerque, NM 87102
Ph: (505) 766-6661; Fax: (505) 766-5419
momanm at aol.com
?
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:23:54 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] electric diagram
To: torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no, detomaso at realbig.com
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Not sure about the post-80s wide body cars but there are four different
factory schematics for '71-'76 cars, all different, and in my
experience, none fit
any car perfectly. What '71-76 Pantera owners do is order the schematic
with
the closest published date to the build date of their car, and annotate
that
schematic as variations are found on your machine. I suspect the late
cars
will vary about the same. Good luck- J Deryke
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:31:19 EDT
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Upgrade your Veglia gauges with VDO internals
To: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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IMHO the hardest part of this project is un-crimping and re-crimping the
chrome-plated brass surrounds that hold the glass fronts on the gauges.
Being
brass, this can be done approximately once before the brass work-hardens
and
cracks. If you've never done this, Ms. Lucas sounds like a good deal
(and they may
have spare parts). My 2?- J DeRyke
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris terp <thefuture98070 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install?
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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I'm about to install a 3rd fan.? My mechanic welcomes any pics or
documentation of successful (simple?) installs.? Thanks everyone,
?
Chris Terp
#6571
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:59:27 -0400
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install?
To: <thefuture98070 at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <S560760AbYH0QD3/20080827160333Z+399 at realbig.com>
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Chris,
Madd Dawggie has an instillation procedure for the third fan. It
includes
your sphincter. You may want to pass on that one.
Larry (gluteus maximus hole) - Cleveland
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On
Behalf Of chris terp
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:51 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install?
I'm about to install a 3rd fan.? My mechanic welcomes any pics or
documentation of successful (simple?) installs.? Thanks everyone,
?
Chris Terp
#6571
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:18:39 -0500
From: <msm at portata.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Survey info
To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <Detomaso at Realbig.com>
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That is largely irrelevant. I cannot imagine many people would fly from
LV to Reno or vice versa. If someone should want to fly, there are
flights every about every hour all day long on Southwest from $69 each
way.
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On Behalf Of Fastgrandma at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:28 PM
To: Detomaso at Realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Survey info
Just heard on the news that one of the airlines is discontinuing several
flights from Vegas to Reno at this time. Something to consider when
filling out
the possible Rally relocation survey.
Judy
VP
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Miller <classicmusclecars at att.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF -2gearbox by itself?
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Oops...meant to send to everyone and also Pat. Thanks again. Dan.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF -2gearbox by itself?
Thanks Pat, and thank you all for your input on the ZF weight and
packing crate. This forum is awesome. The responses are fast and
helpful when you need info and support. I got it all settled and the ZF
is on its way to be rebuilt. Have a great week one and all. Dan Miller
in San Diego CA.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:57:20 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF -2gearbox by itself?
Hi; the trans is about 200 lbs. with a wooden box.
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-2gearbox by itself?
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Need to ship a ZF gear box -2 box and need an approximate weight for the
gear box. I can guess at the weight of the box I have, but no way to
weigh
everything together. Thanks. Dan.
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and also Pat. Thanks again. Dan.<br></div><div
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2008 10:20:37 AM<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the
approximate weight of a ZF -2gearbox by itself?<br><br>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><div>Thanks Pat, and thank you all for your input on
the ZF weight and packing crate. This forum is
awesome. The responses are fast and helpful when you need info and
support. I got it all settled and the ZF is on its way to be
rebuilt. Have a great week one and all. Dan Miller in San
Diego CA.<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new
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2008 5:57:20 PM<br>Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the
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Hi; the trans is about 200 lbs. with a wooden box.<br><br>-----Original
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:27:53 EDT
From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Survey info
To: msm at portata.com, Fastgrandma at aol.com, Detomaso at Realbig.com
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You guys are missing my point. I was referring that it could affect
'connecting' flights. Duh!
The way things are going, one never can count on the airline still being
in
business when the time comes. My daughter had reservations already made
in the
spring for a Nov. trip to Hawaii; she's already had to reschedule once
due to
flights no longer available and is keeping her fingers crossed no other
airlines stop services before the time comes.
Judy
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:11:00 -0500
From: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] electric diagram
To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <KFEFLEOLLPODDEBIPGDFCEEICDAA.oldwheel at mts.net>
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Hi Torbjorn
I have a copy of a GT5/GT5S/ owners manual.
There is a wiring diagram near the end.
I'm sending you a copy. Hope it helps.
Best Wishes
Barry
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Anybody can help with a complete electric diagram for an .82 GT5 . VIN
# 9201
A new Pantera guy in Norway needs this.
Torbjorn
#2215
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:04:18 -0700
From: "ProvaMo.com" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Your car featured in a Magazine?
To: "List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I have been contacted by 0-60 magazine via the Registry.
They are looking for a (stock-ish) 1980's vintage Pantera for a photo
shoot.
They are in the New York area. If someone with the right car
is interested, contact me ASAP.
Chuck
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:05:37 -0700
From: "ProvaMo.com" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seattle Italian Concours d'Elegance
To: "'Mike Thomas'" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I believe Ron Hyde regularly attends this event. I hear it is great.
Chuck Melton
If any of you happen to be in the Seattle, WA area for Labor Day
weekend, we
have a wonderful Italian Concours, and the Panteras are almost always
well
represented.
Go to www.italianconcours.org for more information.
Mike Thomas, Pres.
Panteras Northwest
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:25:11 +0200
From: "Bjoern Flesland" <bflesland at gmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers
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I have a friend who is looking for new rear chrome bumpers.
For Pantera pre L, 71 -73 model year.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers,
Bjoern
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:33:12 -0700
From: "ProvaMo.com" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers
To: "'Bjoern Flesland'" <bflesland at gmail.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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There was a set on eBay recently (search the completed auctions)
The pair went for $$.
Does he really have to have "new", as you state?
What about used? Or used and have them re-chromed?
As there are several versions, make sure which.
Chuck
I have a friend who is looking for new rear chrome bumpers.
For Pantera pre L, 71 -73 model year.
Any info appreciated.
Cheers,
Bjoern
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Is the clutch assist spring in this article common (go down to second
figure)
?
http://www.artsautomotive.com/clutchstory.htm
?
It looks like a good idea.
?
Ken
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:08:05 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit
To: tipo874 at comcast.net, cengles at cox.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/25/08 18 03 58, tipo874 at comcast.net writes:
> I have a late '74
>
>>>What is your VIN and Body Service Number? If Chuck's cars are later
than
yours, it stands to reason his will have the same modification.
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:41:04 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Damaged Hood and Decklid
To: michael at michaelshortt.com, eanderson at geotracinternational.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/26/08 11 09 44, michael at michaelshortt.com writes:
> Great Point, I have stated value coverage through Hagerty Insurance
> for 65K, I'm under the impression that if she's a total loss, stolen,
> burned, etc. then I get a check for 65K without a hassle.? I hope I
> never find out.
>
>>>You should have an AGREED value policy through Haggerty, not a stated
value. The two are VERY different. I don't think Haggerty writes
stated value
polices (which are a total scam). They are very honest.
Mike
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:51:17 -0500
From: <msm at portata.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally.
To: <Detomaso at Realbig.com>
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The myth about the cost of drinks at the Fun Rally keeps coming up.
?
To clarify - the cost of the open bar is only a small fraction?of the
overall event cost. If we eliminated the open bar or went ala carte,
the event cost would drop only slightly, but the individual costs would
rise dramatically even for non-drinkers.
Of course, we certainly do not want to encourage the consumption of
alcohol, but we should make informed decisions about the costs.
A bit of background: there are three ways a hotel can charge for drinks.
There is a cash bar where every individual pays for his or her drinks
which can range from around $3 for water to $8 for mixed drinks. There
is a hosted bar, where the bartender keeps track of every drink then
bills the host for the total amount. The third way is to have a corkage
deal where we buy our drinks in bulk (e.g. Costco) then pay a 30%
corkage fee to the hotel and hire the bartenders by the hour.
The corkage deal keeps our costs way down. For example, a 1.75 liter
bottle of Jose runs less than 50 cents per oz. With mixer, cup, ice and
30 seconds of the bartender's time, our costs are around a dollar for a
mixed drink. The same deal applies for the bulk-purchased water, soft
drinks, beer, and wine.
With the corkage deal, the cost for the open bar works out to be about
$7 per person per day.? This works out to be a little over $1,500 per
day for the group.
If we went with the hosted bar, the cost to the group would be pushing
$10,000 per day, so that way is not viable.
The argument could be made the cash bar way would save non-drinkers the
$7 cost, but that is a false economy. If someone buys a couple of
bottles of water or a couple of soft drinks at $3 a piece, they are not
saving much in reality. With three or more bottles of water or soft
drinks, they would actually be loosing money.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:48:45 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike
Week...
To: torbharl at online.no, garth_rodericks at yahoo.com,
detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/26/08 14 50 39, torbharl at online.no writes:
> Isn`t? a tank with name Panther
>
> The WW2 German tank I belive.
>
You're absolutely right, the Panzerkampfwagen V "Panther".
Probably the single best overall tank used in WWII, on any side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:51:47 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: CAn anyone give me the approximate weight
of a ZF-2gearbox by itself?
To: "'Daniel Miller'" <classicmusclecars at att.net>,
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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I think it's about 150 lbs.
Mike
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Oops...meant to send to everyone and also Pat. Thanks again. Dan.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF
-2gearbox by itself?
Thanks Pat, and thank you all for your input on the ZF weight and
packing
crate. This forum is awesome. The responses are fast and helpful when
you
need info and support. I got it all settled and the ZF is on its way to
be
rebuilt. Have a great week one and all. Dan Miller in San Diego CA.
----- Original Message ----
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To: Daniel Miller <classicmusclecars at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:57:20 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight of a
ZF
-2gearbox by itself?
Hi; the trans is about 200 lbs. with a wooden box.
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Need to ship a ZF gear box -2 box and need an approximate weight for the
gear box. I can guess at the weight of the box I have, but no way to
weigh
everything together. Thanks. Dan.
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also
Pat. Thanks again. Dan.<br></div><div style="font-family:
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ZF -2gearbox by itself?<br><br> <div style="font-family: times new
roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Thanks Pat, and thank you all
for
your input on the ZF weight and packing crate. This forum is
awesome. The responses are fast and helpful when you need info and
support. I got it all settled and the ZF is on its way to be
rebuilt. Have a great week one and all. Dan Miller in San
Diego
CA.<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:
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<classicmusclecars at att.net><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008
5:57:20
PM<br>Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] CAn anyone give me the approximate weight
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:48 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike
Week...
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, garth_rodericks at yahoo.com,
detomaso at realbig.com, torbharl at online.no
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In a message dated 8/26/08 15 04 57, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> Maybe you mean Tiger?? Somebody named Porsche was credited with coming
up
> with the name Tiger.?
>
Ferdinand Porsche designed one of the two contenders for the Tiger II,
but
his design wasn't selected for production. The Tiger I was already in
existence by then however.
Mike (used to be a major tank dork when he was a little kid, and
travelled to
tank museums all over the USA and Europe while in grade school...)
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:58:41 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike
Week...
To: torbharl at online.no, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/26/08 15 16 22, torbharl at online.no writes:
> Tiger was the model before the Panther .
>
>>>Actually, the Panther came first, although it and the Tiger I came
out at
almost the same time.
> > T34 = developed in 1934 and named Tiger
>
>>>The T34 was the main Russian tank, and the Panther and Tiger were
designed
to defeat it on the Russian front. Either one would blow any US tanks
into
smithereens whereas the Sherman's 75mm gun was totally ineffective.
Later
Shermans had a 76mm gun which was better--but not better enough.
Fortunately we had a whole bunch of airplanes. :>)
> > Panther was a lot bigger more effectiv then the T34.
>
>>>They were about the same size; the Panther was more effective
however.
The Tiger I was a LOT more effective, and the Tiger II (King Tiger) was
unstoppable, except it was grossly underpowered, overweight, and
suffered from
mechanical unreliability. You didn't defeat a King Tiger, so much as
you just
waited around for it to bog down or break down.
Mike
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:58:14 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Seattle Italian Concours d'Elegance + Lambo
Youtube
To: "'ProvaMo.com'" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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He has not been for the last couple of years. Yes, usually about 50+
Ferraris, 20+ Lambos, 10-15 Masers, 4-8 Panteras, a couple of Iso
Grifos,
lots of Italian bikes, fiats, lancias, etc.
We have one guy in Everett is responsible for most of the Lambos the
past
few years, and is a major sponsor, Steve Cats, of Cats Exotics (see the
banner on the website). Hobby gone wild, he claims to have personally
doubled the Lambo population in the NW. Here is a Youtube of his racing
Diablo on a dyno run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlv32cUCqI
Enjoy!
Mike Thomas
Panteras Northwest
-----Original Message-----
From: ProvaMo.com [mailto:Pantera007 at provamo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:06 PM
To: 'Mike Thomas'; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Seattle Italian Concours d'Elegance
I believe Ron Hyde regularly attends this event. I hear it is great.
Chuck Melton
If any of you happen to be in the Seattle, WA area for Labor Day
weekend, we
have a wonderful Italian Concours, and the Panteras are almost always
well
represented.
Go to www.italianconcours.org for more information.
Mike Thomas, Pres.
Panteras Northwest
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:04:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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Mustangs had 'em.
When I switched to a diaphragm clutch in my 67 Mustang, I had to remove
the assist spring. With the spring, the pedal went straight to the
floor.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2008 6:52 PM
>To: detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
>
>Is the clutch assist spring in this article common (go down to second
figure)
>?
>http://www.artsautomotive.com/clutchstory.htm
>?
>It looks like a good idea.
>?
>Ken
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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:18:18 EDT
From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally.
To: msm at portata.com, Detomaso at Realbig.com
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Okay, you lost me along the way. I guess it would help if you'd
mentioned
what we've been doing in the past. I know we've not been buying our
own
liquor and bringing it in so that is not a factor in considering what
we've done in
the past.
??
Judy
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Message: 32
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:27:11 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 3rd Fan - anyone have pics of install?
To: thefuture98070 at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/27/08 8 51 20, thefuture98070 at yahoo.com writes:
> I'm about to install a 3rd fan.? My mechanic welcomes any pics or
> documentation of successful (simple?) installs.? Thanks everyone,
>
Whatever you do, do NOT use zip-ties through the radiator as the sole
means
of supporting the fan. That's a hillbilly technique which will, in the
long
run, most likely see you on the side of the road with steam coming out,
as your
zip ties act like little saws and cut through the fragile radiator
tubes.
I think Jack DeRyke suggested using brake tubing or something similar,
pushing the metal tubes through the fins, then running the zip ties
through those.
The tubes would insulate the radiator from the potential damage caused
by the
zip ties. Brilliant idea! :>)
BTW I've never seen a Pantera that needed a third fan. All you need is
two
properly operating fans, either pushers or suckers. If you do add a
third
fan for whatever reason, make sure you do NOT wire it up in parallel
with one of
the other fans--that is, don't cause the wiring intended to power a
single
fan, to have to power two fans instead. The stock fan wiring scheme is
marginal to begin with.
Instead, create a separate circuit for the third fan, complete with a
seperate fuse and power source. You can use one of the existing fan
relays to
trigger the third fan however.
Mike
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Message: 33
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:33:21 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for Pantera Rear Chrome Bumpers
To: bflesland at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/27/08 14 25 53, bflesland at gmail.com writes:
> I have a friend who is looking for new rear chrome bumpers.
> For Pantera pre L, 71 -73 model year.
> Any info appreciated.
>
There were at least three different styles of Pre-L rear bumpers.
There
were two different versions of the square-edge 1971 bumpers, plus one
and maybe
two different styles of the rounded-edge 1972 bumpers (which were still
used in
Europe after August 1972, but not on US-market cars).
So, what does he have, and which type does he want?
Mike
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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:45:58 -0500
From: "Dan Mixon" <tipo874 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <cengles at cox.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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VIN 7195, BSN 6316, June 1974 build date.
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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:54:29 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/27/08 16 53 8, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> Is the clutch assist spring in this article common (go down to second
> figure)
> ?
> http://www.artsautomotive.com/clutchstory.htm
> ?
> It looks like a good idea.
>
Panteras had the opposite approach--springs designed to withdraw the
pedal,
not help to depress it. The springs are not coil springs, but rather a
hair-pin style, wrapped around the main shaft that the pedals pivot on.
One each
for the brake and clutch. These springs have snapped on roughly 100%
of the
Panteras out there, and almost nobody knows they are even there. Crawl
under
the dash sometime and you'll probably find yours sitting there and doing
nothing.
Replacing them is simple enough but requires you to remove the whole
pedal
bracket, then remove the clutch pedal from the shaft, withdraw the
shaft, remove
the broken springs, install the new ones and reassemble.
Here's a photo of a unit that I rebuilt on Stephane Bergeron's car a
couple
of years ago. This is the 'before' photo, showing that the brake pedal
spring
is working, and the clutch pedal spring isn't, because it snapped in
two! I
had already removed it when I shot this photo:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/Pedals.jpg
The completed assembly (with new springs, available cheap from the
Pantera
vendors) was a thing of beauty, with the aluminum plate bead-blasted,
and the
pedals blasted and painted. Unfortunately I forgot to shoot photos of
the
'after' product before installing it in the car. :<(
Mike
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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:11:24 -0500
From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit
To: "Dan Mixon" <tipo874 at comcast.net>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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Dear Dan and Mike,
Holy Moly! My problem child is serial number 7191 !!
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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From: Dan Mixon
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com ; cengles at cox.net ; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Electro-techno question II: late 74 wiring and
Moseleyrelay kit
VIN 7195, BSN 6316, June 1974 build date.
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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:16:23 -0700
From: "Trevor Fougere" <trevor at fougere.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Another reason to go to Sturgis Bike Week...
To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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Tank fans!...Nirvana is here!....or at least it is in Brandenburg,
Deutschland:
http://www.panzerkutscher.de/en/index.htm
Trevor
#3797
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Message: 38
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: detomaso at realbig.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
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?? Actually, at full release, the spring in the figure is holding the
pedal out, but after a little depression of the pedal, the spring goes
past center and pushes the pedal in to help disengage the clutch.?
?
?? ?It seems very clever to me, and an excellent approach to taming a
heavy clutch.? What I'm not sure about is the force required to do much
good at such a short lever arm.? Seems like the brackets would have to
be very sturdy.?
?
Ken
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, MikeLDrew at aol.com <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:54 PM
In a message dated 8/27/08 16 53 8, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> Is the clutch assist spring in this article common (go down to second
> figure)
> ?
> http://www.artsautomotive.com/clutchstory.htm
> ?
> It looks like a good idea.
>
Panteras had the opposite approach--springs designed to withdraw the
pedal,
not help to depress it. The springs are not coil springs, but rather a
hair-pin style, wrapped around the main shaft that the pedals pivot on.
One
each
for the brake and clutch. These springs have snapped on roughly 100%
of the
Panteras out there, and almost nobody knows they are even there. Crawl
under
the dash sometime and you'll probably find yours sitting there and doing
nothing.
Replacing them is simple enough but requires you to remove the whole
pedal
bracket, then remove the clutch pedal from the shaft, withdraw the
shaft,
remove
the broken springs, install the new ones and reassemble.
Here's a photo of a unit that I rebuilt on Stephane Bergeron's car a
couple
of years ago. This is the 'before' photo, showing that the brake
pedal spring
is working, and the clutch pedal spring isn't, because it snapped in
two!
I
had already removed it when I shot this photo:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/Pedals.jpg
The completed assembly (with new springs, available cheap from the
Pantera
vendors) was a thing of beauty, with the aluminum plate bead-blasted,
and the
pedals blasted and painted. Unfortunately I forgot to shoot photos of
the
'after' product before installing it in the car. :<(
Mike
**************
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deal here.
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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:02:54 -0400
From: tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Got Cleve?
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Hey, I finally killed my engine at Pocono this year. Before I go build
a
new Cleve in a rush, does anybody out there have a well-built Cleve they
want to part with?
P.S. Don't bother telling me to build a windsor-based, blah blah blah.
I'd
rather buy a SBC crate.
Tony "well-prepped stock rods only last 10 years or less under abuse, I
guess" DiGiovanna
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Message: 40
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:10:57 -0400
From: tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Cleve Pistons
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Can you get a good quality, STOCK BORE, floating pin, flat-top, forged
piston at a good price?
I have a block that needs no boring.
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Message: 41
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:13:02 -0700
From: "ProvaMo.com" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Mike (and others) see below ;-)
Panteras had the opposite approach--springs designed to withdraw the
pedal,
not help to depress it. The springs are not coil springs, but rather a
hair-pin style, wrapped around the main shaft that the pedals pivot on.
One each
for the brake and clutch. These springs have snapped on roughly 100%
of the
Panteras out there, and almost nobody knows they are even there. Crawl
under
the dash sometime and you'll probably find yours sitting there and doing
nothing.
Replacing them is simple enough but requires you to remove the whole
pedal
bracket, then remove the clutch pedal from the shaft, withdraw the
shaft, remove
the broken springs, install the new ones and reassemble.
NO NO NO!!!
What you do is WIND the spring onto the shaft. No disassembly
required!!!
Here's a photo of a unit that I rebuilt on Stephane Bergeron's car a
couple
of years ago. This is the 'before' photo, showing that the brake pedal
spring
is working, and the clutch pedal spring isn't, because it snapped in
two! I
had already removed it when I shot this photo:
http://members.aol.com/mikeldrew/Pedals.jpg
The completed assembly (with new springs, available cheap from the
Pantera
vendors) was a thing of beauty, with the aluminum plate bead-blasted,
and the
pedals blasted and painted. Unfortunately I forgot to shoot photos of
the
'after' product before installing it in the car. :<(
Mike
**************
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deal here.
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Message: 42
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:17:31 -0400
From: "Ron McCall" <rfmccall at comcast.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fiberglass Hoods
To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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How many of you have 'glass hoods on your Panteras?
Can you e-mail me a picture and answer a few questions?
Who made it?
How is the fit?
Cost?
Do any of you have a hood for sale? Glass OR steel?
Thanks,
Ron rfmccall at comcast.net
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Message: 43
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:23:01 EDT
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clever Clutch Assist
To: Pantera007 at provamo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 8/27/08 20 13 27, Pantera007 at provamo.com writes:
> NO NO NO!!!
>
> What you do is WIND the spring onto the shaft.? No disassembly
required!!!
>
I thought about that, but since the whole assembly was in my hands I
didn't
consider it much.
It seems to me that doing so would really wreck the spring. Is it
resilient
enough to put up with that much abuse? You seem to speak of
experience?
I wouldn't mind replacing the broken springs on my own car if that's the
case? (Or even better, have YOU replace the broken springs on my car
if that's
the case!) HAHAHA!!!
Do tell?
Mike
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Message: 44
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:49:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Fw: A Ride Around Nurburgring In A ZR-1
Corvette
To: Pantera Web <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <762391.71970.qm at web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
A buddy sent me this, knowing that I had Corvette's in my other life!
It's not bad!
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, John Holland <jholland1234 at charter.net> wrote:
From: John Holland <jholland1234 at charter.net>
Subject: Fw: A Ride Around Nurburgring In A ZR-1 Corvette
To: "Curt" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "Dave Chadek" <chadeksauto at msn.com>,
"homie" <Smitty3115 at yahoo.com>, "Todd parris" <TLPARRIS at msn.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:36 PM
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Helmick
To: David Anderson ; Tony Bagley ; Craig Bartlett ; Steve Dohrman ; Dave
Gardner ; HARRY GROGAN ; Jonathon Hardy ; Roger Hill ; John HOLLAND ;
Ben Jones ; Tom Ketcher ; mike keville ; Brian & Verene Mace ; Ty
Marcucci ; Nils Norling ; Pete Peterson ; Dave Simons ; Jim Smith ;
Steve Wangsness ; Larry Weber ; Mark Wells ; LarryShirley White ;
Charlie Wooten ; Peter & Judy Young
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: A Ride Around Nurburgring In A ZR-1 Corvette
Subject: Sit Back And Take A Ride Around Nurburgring In A ZR-1
Corvette......
* * * * * * * * * * * *
?
Click on site below for video.??I'm surprised he only got up to 178 on
the straightaway, and I thought he could have been smoother. Be sure to
follow?his position using the red dot on the overlay track!!!
?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9988138-1.html?hhTest=1
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Message: 45
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:38:16 -0500
From: <msm at portata.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally.
To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <Detomaso at Realbig.com>
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Judy,
We have bought beverages in bulk by the bottle. It is how we can afford
to provide so much for so little. The whos and hows of the transaction
are irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The figures I presented are the actual numbers from the 2008 rally at
the Orleans. If we return there next year, I expect that the figures
would be about the same. Bob Reid is working with the Reno hotel to see
if we can put together a similar deal.
Mark
________________________________________
From: Fastgrandma at aol.com [mailto:Fastgrandma at aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:18 PM
To: msm at portata.com; Detomaso at Realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cost of drinks at the Fun Rally.
Okay, you lost me along the way.? I guess it would help if you'd
mentioned what we've been doing in the past.? I know we've not been
buying our own liquor and bringing it in so that is not a factor in
considering what we've done in the past.
??
Judy
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Message: 46
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Toyo Proxes ST tires for your original 15" Campys
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Cc: Paul DaCruz <pauldacruz at aol.com>
Message-ID: <94151.37889.qm at web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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It seems the Toyo Proxes ST size that's perfect for the rear of our
Panteras (295/50-15) is
becoming scarce, and soon to be obsolete.? Here are a few sources that
still list them on
their websites. I just ordered a pair from prostreetonline.? FWIW, the
price has gone up by
approximately 40% since I bought mine last year.? Get yours now while
you still can.
?
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/tires_brand/tire_detail.php?id=1287?($
142 + $30 shipping)
?
http://www.prostreetonline.com/x/toyo-proxes-st-tires.asp?($143 ea, 15%
off?with HD5T coupon code + $16.86 UPS ground shipping - I just ordered
an extra pair)
?
http://www.tiredeals4less.com/TOYO_Proxes_ST_C165.cfm? ($116 ea?+ $65
shipping)
?
Cheers!
Garth
?
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Message: 47
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Toyo Proxes ST tires for your original 15" Campys
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Cc: Paul DaCruz <pauldacruz at aol.com>
Message-ID: <131519.38424.qm at web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
It seems the Toyo Proxes ST size that's perfect for the rear of our
Panteras (295/50-15) is
becoming scarce, and soon to be obsolete.? Here are a few sources that
still list them on
their websites. I just ordered a pair from prostreetonline.? FWIW, the
price has gone up by
approximately 40% since I bought mine last year.? Get yours now while
you still can.
?
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/tires_brand/tire_detail.php?id=1287?
($142 + $30 shipping)
?
http://www.prostreetonline.com/x/toyo-proxes-st-tires.asp?
($143 ea, 15% off?with HD5T coupon code + $16.86 UPS ground shipping - I
just ordered an extra pair)
?
http://www.tiredeals4less.com/TOYO_Proxes_ST_C165.cfm?
($116 ea?+ $65 shipping)
?
Cheers!
Garth
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Message: 48
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:55:34 +0200
From: Henrik Svensson <Henrik.Svensson at gda.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
To: 'Patrick Mical' <pmical at patsauto.com>, "'detomaso at realbig.com'"
<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Hi Patrick
My plan is to build the engine myself. The block is already in a machine
shop waiting for the pistons. Just the finishing touch left on the
cylinder bore...
Thanks anyway!
/Henrik
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mical [mailto:pmical at patsauto.com]
Sent: den 28 augusti 2008 03:02
To: Henrik Svensson
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
Hi Henrik; If you are looking for someone to build that Fontana Clever
call me at the shop. Check out ma shop,Performance Automotive Tech.
Patsauto.com I have built quite a few of the Fontana motors, I have a
twin Turbo in my 90Si Pantera. Patrick.
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Henrik Svensson
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:57 AM
To: 'Will Demelo'; 'detomaso at realbig.com'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
Hi
I've heard about another gay with the same experience. Did you need to
machine the crank or the block?
My worries about buying the part separately is to get parts that works
good together. I'm rebuilding the car myself and it seems safer to by
parts as a kit...
Henrik (stroker #1)
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Will Demelo
Sent: den 26 augusti 2008 23:08
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Engine rebuild
I'm having a new stroker Clevor built. My builder prefers to buy the
components induvidually. My last stroker kit was on the cheap side and
required add'l machine work.
Will ( stroker #2)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henrik Svensson" <Henrik.Svensson at gda.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine rebuild
>
> Hi
>
> I'm looking to by a Stroker kit to my Cleveland
>
> I found one at Speed-O-Motive at a good price.
>
> Anyone with experience of shopping at Speed-O-Motive? Any other
> suggestions where to by the kit.
>
> /Henrik
> #1477
>
>
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Message: 49
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:59:33 -0400
From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating update
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I installed a new mechanical gauge yesterday and filled the system with
80% water (I won't keep it like this for more than 3 wks). I ran the car
on rear jacks twice for considerable time. It was a cool afternoon/night
and the car never went above 190 deg but.....I think it was running on
5-6 cylinders.
The car is tuned (old efi ) so rich that I foul plugs within a few
hundred miles. I'll change the plugs tonight.
Should I run a hotter plug? Will this make them last longer if I'm
running rich?
Will
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