[DeTomaso] Bigger-Better-Heavy Duty Shocks for SilverStateWOOPS -No Slacker Content

Tue Sep 25 16:23:29 EDT 2007

What's bottoming the front or the rear? You're options are stiffer
springs or more travel. More travel will require you to raise the ride
height (assuming you stay with the current suspension geometry) which
will affect high speed stability. Stiffer springs will allow you to
retain the current ride height but will reduce compliance which can
limit the ability to keep all 4 wheels in contact with the pavement.
Progressive springs would at least allow you more compliance at all but
the most severe loads so this might be the best place to start. The
bottom line is no car can ever be set up "perfect" there are always
compromises so all you can do is keep experimenting and then go with the
best overall compromise.

Good luck,

Gray

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Mark McWhinney
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:56 PM
To: 'Mad Dog Antenucci'; 'Art Stephens'; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bigger-Better-Heavy Duty Shocks for
SilverStateWOOPS -No Slacker Content

I am also running 750 lbs/in springs on the street and track (and I do
not
have seats to cushion the bumps.  It's not bad, though.) 

You can go stiffer, but as I am sure Goran will point out that there are
some handling and safety trade-offs as you get too stiff.  (Larry, don't
bother.  We all spotted the joke already.)

Maybe an integrated bull nose, skid plate, and belly pan really is the
way
to go. :)

-----Original Message-----
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On
Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:56 AM
To: Art Stephens; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bigger-Better-Heavy Duty Shocks for Silver
StateWOOPS -No Slacker Content

thanks Art....They might but I'm at 750 now....I could be wrong but I
don't
think springs alone will fix this problem.

Art Stephens <artstephens at charter.net> wrote:  Wouldn't heavier springs
do
the job?

Art

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bigger-Better-Heavy Duty Shocks for Silver State 
WOOPS -No Slacker Content

> Off Roaders & JORN IN NORWAY:
>
> Bilstein and Aldan were wrong.....rebuilding the shocks for the
Pantera 
> with 25% more compression and rebound was not enough to stop full 
> compression at the dips (at WOT) at Silver State in the Pantera....you

> couldn't have pulled a greased string out of my backside on the
hardest 
> hit so its back to the drawing board.;-]>
>
> In the last ORR I had another great run....engine although it had too 
> much compression ;-]> ran great....the Pantera is handling better then
it 
> ever has.....but hitting full compression broke the ABS side skirts
and 
> bottom of the air dam in the dips. Shock mounts and chassis all look
good 
> and the Pantera stayed straight and true on full compression so no 
> handling problem. Te ABS was meant to provide some added hi-speed 
> stability which it did until it broke ;-]> but the ABS was also meant
tobe

> the 'sacraficial lamb' which it also did but bottom line I still got 
> full compression in dips above 145 mph
>
> So, as part of this winter's projects (MORE engine compression) ;-]> I

> need some customized shocks with added compression to handle these
dips 
> (aka WOOPS). I don't think there are any plans in 2008 to regrade the 
> course dips so the challenge is to build shocks around the course 
> conditions.
>
> No Col. I still can't afford those high tech $5 grand computerized
units 
> but a couple people I spoke too suggested adding a stop on top of
springs 
> to eliminate the 'full compression'.... the negative to that
suggestion is

> others have suggested it could also cause wheel hop 'at speed' on full

> compression which could lead to loss of control and an off road 4x4 
> excursion. ;-]> So goal is to STOP full compression.
>
> If YOU have a contact name of anyone you have personally dealed with
on 
> customized shocks for off-road conditions send it to me. I gotta
figure 
> those guys who are running offroad at 150 mph can help where 
> roundy-rounders can't.
>
> JORN, SEND ME contact infor on the VIKINGS that ran 200 MPH last week.
>
> MD
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
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