[DeTomaso] NEED SOURCE FOR 180 DEGREE HEADERS FABRICATION

[Daniel Schultz]

Will, sounds like quite a car you have their! :>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
To: "Daniel Schultz" <danielvschultz at earthlink.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>; 
"Peter Havlik" <phavlik at pris.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NEED SOURCE FOR 180 DEGREE HEADERS FABRICATION


>I have the aforementioned 3" pipes on my car. (no crossover pipe)
>
> The headers are custom for A3/C302B heads and 3" collectors.
>
> The pipes snake through the A-Arms.  There is a small dent from the 1" 
> sway bar - mounted in the normal orientation.  If it is mounted below the 
> a-arms, it wouldn't dent at all.  Keep in mind, the dent is very small.
>
> The mufflers are Borla XR-1 race mufflers, powdercoated black with chrome 
> tips.
>
> I like 'em.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Daniel  Schultz <danielvschultz at earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Oct 23, 2007 3:51 AM
>>To: detomaso at realbig.com, Peter Havlik <phavlik at pris.ca>
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NEED SOURCE FOR 180 DEGREE HEADERS FABRICATION
>>
>>Gary, I'm in complete agreement with Peter.You will choke it.When I had my
>>car I was going to go with 3" exhaust from Pat Micals. As far as the
>>mufflers I was going with a set of oval Borla XR-1's. I believe Ron McCall
>>had Pats setup(Pats headers and pipe going to Borla's also in his Nascar
>>motor equipped Pantera.The workmanship in Pats headers/pipe was quite 
>>nice.
>>
>>Dan
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Peter Havlik" <phavlik at pris.ca>
>>To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:35 AM
>>Subject: [DeTomaso] NEED SOURCE FOR 180 DEGREE HEADERS FABRICATION
>>
>>
>>> Gary:
>>>
>>> Flip your half shafts and you can fit a full 3" system.
>>>
>>> With a big stroker like yours, you will choke it with a 2.25" system.
>>>
>>> I put a custom 3" system with a crossover in my car but, if I had to
>>> do it again, I would save myself a lot of money and aggravation by
>>> just buying a kit from Pat Mical.
>>>
>>> Don't listen to anybody who tells you that you can't put a 3" system
>>> between the control arms and the half shafts. All the vendors (except
>>> Pat, of course, and Fred Matsumoto) will tell you it can't be done
>>> because they want to sell you their stuff, but they are just plain
>>> wrong. All their mufflers are a smaller diameter, and their headers
>>> have smaller collectors, so they know they won't make a sale if you
>>> are building a 3" system.
>>>
>>> I have been running a 3" system for two years now, with no clearance
>>> problems whatsoever.
>>>
>>> You can see a photo of my setup at on the PIBB at:
>>>
>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1550045562/m/4450006983/r/7470074093#7470074093
>>>
>>> - Peter
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:28 -0600
>>> From: GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NEED SOURCE FOR 180 DEGREE HEADERS FABRICATION
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Message-ID: <47179E4C.5050301 at rc-tech.net>
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>>>
>>> As I mentioned last week there seems to be a limit in the size of pipe
>>> that can go through the suspension. I really did not want the 180's
>>> because I would like the trunk space and I don't want them in the way of
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> I fabbed up a set to go over the suspension. The long tubes are not
>>> attached yet, they just give an idea of where they are going:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/cars/panttransam/1905/ex/exb3.jpg
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/cars/panttransam/1905/ex/exb2.jpg
>>>
>>> These are two-2.25" pipes going back. With the wheel above the frame
>>> their is still room. I don't think a real adequate clearance test will
>>> be done till I get it on the road and see if I have indeed made enough
>>> clearance for engine shift and suspension travel.
>>>
>>> This is a 400 stroked 434 so the heads are an inch higher and out. My
>>> plan at this point is to:
>>> -build a test stand to get everything running again
>>> -get the Deamon carb partly tuned
>>> -build at least one different Webber manifold and get the Webbers partly
>>> tuned (I have ideas of a different type of manifold I may try as well)
>>>
>>> Once the engine is up and going with general tuning done, take to dyno
>>> shop and run the old headers, the new headers and run each intake/Carb
>>> with both headers to see the difference.
>>>
>>> I got the connectors, O2 Bungs and EGT Bungs to finish the exhaust but I
>>> am doing paper work today. We'll see if I make it out. I am almost out
>>> of gas on the TIG and I am flying this weekend. Hope to finish the
>>> headers by the end of the weekend then start on an engine test stand.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
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