[DeTomaso] Who is going to be at WOT long enough toneedFancySchmantzy Race Oil? 6- PANTERA OIL

Thu Oct 4 18:59:36 EDT 2007

Mark,

That is not necessarily true.

I devoted much time and spent considerable dollars to prepare quality 
photos to accompany the text for the article I wrote describing the 
suspension bushing removal tool I invented. I sent the article and 
photos to Jack for publication who never acknowledged receiving the 
material. The photos were photocopied which totally obscured their 
original detail and clarity and then published in the newsletter. This 
was before digital imaging was readily available. Compare the photos on 
Mike Dailey's site with those that appeared in the newsletter.

On another attempt I submitted scaled drawings of different methods of 
installing tapered bearings in the Pantera uprights. I was assured by 
Jack that what I submitted would be accurately reproduced. Once again I 
was never notified of the receipt of the material and found that the 
scaled drawings were terribly distorted when they were were published in 
the newsletter. I had originally planned to submit six articles covering 
six different installation methods but when Jack told me I was wasting 
my time producing scaled drawings stopped sending articles.

I had another article prepared that described a simple way to duplicate 
the color coding found on Pantera wiring but because of the shabby 
reproduction, I abandon that too.

Fred T.

Mark McWhinney wrote:

>Hi Ken,
>
>The value in the articles in the knowledge in peoples heads and much of the
>effort is just getting that knowledge down on paper.  If you can get your
>text and pictures to Jack or Mike, they can do the layout and formatting.
>Given the constraints of the printed page and the need for a common look
>across the articles, they have to do that anyway. 
>
>If we go with the media-on-web-site supplement approach, you could provide
>photos, video, and engineering diagrams in whatever style, size, and format
>works well.
>
>Mark
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:03 PM
>To: Mark McWhinney; doug at silicondesigns.com
>Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum'
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Who is going to be at WOT long enough
>toneedFancySchmantzy Race Oil? 6- PANTERA OIL
>
> 
>Mark,
> 
>    It's my observation that there is tremendous talent in the Pantera
>community and there are a lot of people doing really cool stuff.  I also
>doubt any of us could build our own "Super Pantera" without relying on a lot
>of the work others have done and are doing.  For example, it would be
>foolish to try to get into open road racing without taking a long look at
>what Dennis is doing.  
> 
>    Dan's engine project is a great example of what could be done, but I
>don't expect to see similar projects on cooling, brakes, suspension,
>aerodynamics, etc.  At best, when people try things, it would help to know
>what they did, and how well it worked.  Then at least we wouldn't make the
>same mistakes.
> 
>    Of course, this is all directed to engineer types who want to improve
>their cars themselves.  I realize many Pantera owners just want to enjoy a
>really cool car, and that's fine.  I may be expecting too much because there
>may only be a handful of people who want their cars to be as fast as they
>look.  In addition to that, we all seem to be good at avoiding documenting
>our work.  
> 
>    I guess this leads to the question of what tools are available for
>desktop publishing.  Is there some reasonably priced software which would
>allow us to prepare an article with text and figures and submit it in a
>nearly ready to publish condition?  If it's easy enough, maybe we'd get off
>our butts and do it.
> 
>Ken
> 
>
>
>Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>I spoke with Mike Drew about this very subject this summer. The net of it
>was that given the discussions of the Profiles & Newsletter changes last
>year, that nobody wants to rock the boat again. (Keep in mind that all of
>this is all done with volunteer efforts and that we very fortunate to have
>such dedicated people!)
>
>Mike is also the publisher of the PCNC's monthly newsletter. Although it is
>printed in B&W, it is created as a full color PDF with large format,
>high-resolution photos. These newsletters are publicly available on the
>PCNC web site. 
>
>http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/articles.htm
>
>This two-prong approach allows use to get information out to the PCNC folks
>who still prefer paper-based communications with affordable B&W issues and
>get good quality detailed photos and text out to those who like the Web for
>free. I have floated the ideal of going web-only with the PCNC folks to
>reduce expenses, but there are too many people that like the old school
>paper.
>
>There have been discussions in the past of putting the POCA Profiles and/or
>Newsletter on-line. The problem with that it is that it takes away one of
>the greatest incentives to join the club. We could publish them in a
>members-only section of the POCA web site, but that brings up other issues.
>
>Another approach which I would like to push is a simple, no-cost solution
>that is easy to implement. We would continue publishing the Profiles and
>Newsletters as we have been, but we would make the photos, diagrams, and
>other media available on the POCA web site. This would give people
>incentive to join POCA for the articles and give them access to high quality
>media.
>
>Imagine this example -- Ken writes an article about "CR, Detonation, and
>water injection". The article includes photos of Ken's new injection
>system, a diagram showing CR tradeoffs, and a dyno graph. Jack publishes
>the article as he normally would. Ken or Jack e-mails the original
>large-format, high-res photos, diagram, and dyno output files to the POCA
>web master who pops them into a "photo album" archive on the POCA site which
>is open to the public. Ken also sends a nifty Excel spreadsheet that
>estimates HP and a video clip of his new setup with plenty of vooom, vooom
>sounds. The POCA members get Jack's article plus the high quality media
>plus the extra goodies at no extra cost. Everyone on the DeTomaso forums
>talks about Ken's cool new setup. Matt sees the forum postings, sees the
>pictures and video, and is so impressed he drives a POCA membership
>application and check for $75 right over to Judy's house.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>Behalf Of Ken Green
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:45 AM
>To: doug at silicondesigns.com
>Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Who is going to be at WOT long enough
>toneedFancySchmantzy Race Oil? 6- PANTERA OIL
>
>I'm not quite sure where you are coming from, although I'm pretty sure
>you're from the third planet. When did I criticize Jack? I guess I need to
>read my post again? 
>
>My complaint is that the tech material is relegated to a nearly throw
>away publication with fairly low resolution graphics (pictures help), and
>that there is some POCA rule that tech material will not be provided in the
>higher quality Profiles. At least one potential contributor told me that he
>would no longer contribute tech material to POCA because of this policy, and
>I can only guess how many others feel the same way.
>
>Can you explain why that amounts to criticizing Jack or Mike? I guess
>you know something that I'm not aware of?
>
>Ken
>
>Doug Braun wrote:
>Ken,
>
>What planet are you on? Jack DeRyke (and others) have blessed us with
>serious technical articles in each and every issue of the newsletter. So
>what if it's not in glossy color; it's the content that counts. You're
>welcome to freeload information off this forum and are entitled to answers
>to any reasonable questions you put forth here but please don't belittle the
>efforts of those who are trying to run a genuine Pantera club. It's clubs
>like POCA that give us a greater sense of camaraderie and help to give our
>cars (yours included) a greater perceived value. I cherish each and every
>issue of both the Profiles and the Newsletter as one common publication and
>I'm grateful there are men like Mike and Jack who donate incredible amounts
>of time to both these publications and this forum.
>
>Doug Braun
>blue 73L #5505
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Ken Green
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:05 PM
>To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; teampantera at yahoo.com; ramosel at pacbell.net;
>RCBSONS1 at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Who is going to be at WOT long enough to
>needFancySchmantzy Race Oil? 6- PANTERA OIL
>
>
>If POCA had a high quality publication with serious tech info, I'd be a
>member : )
>
>MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 10/3/07 7:45:48 PM, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>  
>
>>How about filling in the blanks for those of us who don't know anything
>>about GT1 or the car they are racing.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you were a POCA member you would have read all about it in the last
>issue.
>:>)
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
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