[DeTomaso] fuel cells

[adin at frontier.net]

D,
Why don't you tell the folks a little more about your car?  I may even  
have a picture I can link to (the list strips attachements) so folks  
can see it.

David in Durangp

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> Darryll,
>
>   Most excellent 'real-world' feedback. When you can make it out   
> here Darryll, Team Pantera Racing will pick up your food, lodging   
> and bar tab...in fact try and make it to Silver State in Sept.
>
>   Thanks mate!
>
>
>   Mad Dawg Antenucci
>   Teampantera Racing
>   "if it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Mountjoy <mtjoy at telis.org> wrote:
>           Ken & Mad Dog,
>
>   I mostly lurk since I haven't found the right Pcar yet but I do   
> respond to individuals, as you may recall MD (on the topic of crank   
> pulley rebuilding), where I think I can be of assistance.
>
>   Regarding fuel cells, My race car is a '64.  Originally it had a   
> fuel tank of odd shape.  While we were going through restoration to   
> bring the car back to its '64 specs the tank was one of the issues.   
>  The car now had an off-the-shelf ATL....  not nearly enough  
> capacity  as I was taking the car to the Goodwood Revival and Le  
> Mans Classic.   For whatever reason the original tank had followed  
> with the car  through its sequence of owners.  What I did was have  
> my restorer  make an aluminum box in the configuration of the  
> original tank.  We  then sent the tank to Fuel Safe.  They made a  
> bladder and foam for  it, including fuel level sending unit, and  
> returned the unit to us.   It fit like a glove, gave me about the  
> same capacity as when it ran  at Le Mans in '64, will now allow the  
> required carrying of the spare  tire, and most importantly is SAFE.   
> For shorter track events I  simply run it 3/8 full.
>
>   It wasn't cheap (a little over $1300. in 2002 money) but for me   
> this was the right solution.  Perhaps it will work for you.  For   
> chuckles I've included pics.
>
>   Darrell Mountjoy
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Gray Gregory
> <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <437643.42550.qm at web50110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> Ken,
>   When is this this Pantera gonna be finished?
>   I mean what year? ;-]>
>
>   Mad Dawg Antenucci
>   Team Pantera Racing
>
> Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>     Gray,
>
>         I'm looking at the nose fuel cell as a space management   
> solution.  I am trying to build an efficient and fairly compact twin  
>  turbo motor and actually have luggage space.  I also want short and  
>  as close to straight headers as possible, and I think the best   
> solution is to hang the turbos off the heads on each side of the   
> engine.  The only way I think I can do that is to move the gas tank   
> to the nose.  Because at least some of the ORRs are ran at high   
> altitudes, an efficient turbo motor should be an excellent approach.
>
>         I talked to Wilkinson last year, and I think he said they   
> were able to fit a 20 gal conformal fuel cell into the nose of a   
> Pantera.  I think a generic rectangular cell is limited to about 10   
> gal.
>
>         I admit that this is becoming something of an engineering   
> exercise, but that's something I enjoy.
>
>   Ken
>
> Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>   The problem with fuel cells up front in a Pantera is cost and capacity,
> especially for ORR. Only full race cars need to consider a fuel cell, so
> we're talking about full race motors that will probably only average 4-5
> MPG at race speed. 10 gallons is about all you can get in a front fuel
> cell and there is no real benefit to having it up front for ORR anyway.
> It makes much more sense for a track car where you might notice a
> benefit from better weight distribution and 10 gal is sufficient for the
> average vintage race or track session.
>
> Gray
>
>
>
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
>   The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
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