[DeTomaso] Fuel Cells Aerotech in Sante Fe Springs

Fri May 25 15:28:59 EDT 2007

I talked to Aero Tech http://www.aerotechservicesinc.com/technology.shtml in Sante Fe Springs, CA, and they said $1000 to $2000 for a custom fuel cell, at least that's less than $5K.  They're just down the street from me, so I may drop by next week,   They said if you bring in a metal box, they will make a fuel cell to fit in it.  They said they have made fuel cells for Jay Leno's cars, so I guess they are well known.

  Ken

Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
  Then fuel cell it is. Keep us posted as to what you come up with.

Good luck,

Gray

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From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

Gray,

I'd like the car to qualify to enter in the ORR Super Sport
Division which requires a fuel cell.

Ken

Gray Gregory wrote:

Ken,

I suppose a 20 gal cell is possible but not within the confines
of the stock front trunk (a 20 gal gas tank might be a little easier?).
The 10gal cells that I've seen have been customized to conform to the
shape of the front trunk but not require major modifications to the
structure. I don't think you could get more than a 5 gal rectangle cell
up there.

Why would you want a fuel cell in a street car? 

Gray

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From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:00 AM
To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

Gray,

I'm looking at the nose fuel cell as a space management
solution. I am trying to build an efficient and fairly compact twin
turbo motor and actually have luggage space. I also want short and as
close to straight headers as possible, and I think the best solution is
to hang the turbos off the heads on each side of the engine. The only
way I think I can do that is to move the gas tank to the nose. Because
at least some of the ORRs are ran at high altitudes, an efficient turbo
motor should be an excellent approach.

I talked to Wilkinson last year, and I think he said they
were able to fit a 20 gal conformal fuel cell into the nose of a
Pantera. I think a generic rectangular cell is limited to about 10 gal.

I admit that this is becoming something of an engineering
exercise, but that's something I enjoy. 

Ken

Gray Gregory wrote:

The problem with fuel cells up front in a Pantera is
cost and capacity,
especially for ORR. Only full race cars need to consider
a fuel cell, so
we're talking about full race motors that will probably
only average 4-5
MPG at race speed. 10 gallons is about all you can get
in a front fuel
cell and there is no real benefit to having it up front
for ORR anyway.
It makes much more sense for a track car where you might
notice a
benefit from better weight distribution and 10 gal is
sufficient for the
average vintage race or track session.

Gray

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To: Mad Dog Antenucci
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

I know being newly undead and all is challenging but if
you read that
and do
the math and notice the comma placement, it says "street
car" at 15-17
mpg
and if you go back to the first part, a 100 mile race
with 12 gallons is
more like 8.5 mpg.

The crack I have ever smoked was from friction.

Michael in Savannah

On 5/24/07, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
>
> Michael are you smoking crack? ;-]>
> 10-12 gallons at a race under a 100 miles with 15-17
MPG?!!!
> md
>
> *Michael Shortt * wrote:
>
> Yeah, I guess maybe 10-12 gallons, since most races
fall under 100
miles,
> it
> should be enough, if your street car gets 15-17 mpg,
that's almost up
to
> 175-200 miles, certainly enough in one sitting to
warrant getting out
and
> walking around a bit anyway.
>
> The floor was still there.
>
>
> Michael in Savannah
>
>
> On 5/24/07, www.DeTomasoRegistry.org
wrote:
> >
> > I have photos of Eskahoff's (spelling ?) front fuel
cell on my old
> > website.
> >
> > I think it is under "famous racers".
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > In those photos it looks like the fuel cell is not
below the bottom
of
> > the trunk. That fuel cell could only hold a few
gallons, maybe 10?
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Ken Green wrote:
> > > If the hood is covering a fuel cell, and a gas cap
is accessible
> > through the hood, the hood could be attached to
serve as a sheer
member.
> > I'd guess that if the hood is semi permanently
attached at all 4
> corners,
> > there could be a substantial stiffening benefit, at
least in the
> > horizontal
> > plane.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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