[DeTomaso] Fuel Cells Aerotech in Sante Fe Springs

Fri May 25 15:33:07 EDT 2007

This is the company that made the one that I sent photos of, they seem to
have all sizes.and they also make custom units.
http://www.fuelsafe.com/
Michael in Savannah

On 5/25/07, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I talked to Aero Tech http://www.aerotechservicesinc.com/technology.shtml in
> Sante Fe Springs, CA, and they said $1000 to $2000 for a custom fuel cell,
> at least that's less than $5K.  They're just down the street from me, so I
> may drop by next week,   They said if you bring in a metal box, they will
> make a fuel cell to fit in it.  They said they have made fuel cells for Jay
> Leno's cars, so I guess they are well known.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> *Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>* wrote:
>
> Then fuel cell it is. Keep us posted as to what you come up with.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Gray
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells
>
>
>
> Gray,
>
>
>
> I'd like the car to qualify to enter in the ORR Super Sport
> Division which requires a fuel cell.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
> Gray Gregory wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> I suppose a 20 gal cell is possible but not within the confines
> of the stock front trunk (a 20 gal gas tank might be a little easier?).
> The 10gal cells that I've seen have been customized to conform to the
> shape of the front trunk but not require major modifications to the
> structure. I don't think you could get more than a 5 gal rectangle cell
> up there.
>
>
>
> Why would you want a fuel cell in a street car?
>
>
>
> Gray
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:00 AM
> To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells
>
>
>
> Gray,
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the nose fuel cell as a space management
> solution. I am trying to build an efficient and fairly compact twin
> turbo motor and actually have luggage space. I also want short and as
> close to straight headers as possible, and I think the best solution is
> to hang the turbos off the heads on each side of the engine. The only
> way I think I can do that is to move the gas tank to the nose. Because
> at least some of the ORRs are ran at high altitudes, an efficient turbo
> motor should be an excellent approach.
>
>
>
> I talked to Wilkinson last year, and I think he said they
> were able to fit a 20 gal conformal fuel cell into the nose of a
> Pantera. I think a generic rectangular cell is limited to about 10 gal.
>
>
>
> I admit that this is becoming something of an engineering
> exercise, but that's something I enjoy.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
> Gray Gregory wrote:
>
> The problem with fuel cells up front in a Pantera is
> cost and capacity,
> especially for ORR. Only full race cars need to consider
> a fuel cell, so
> we're talking about full race motors that will probably
> only average 4-5
> MPG at race speed. 10 gallons is about all you can get
> in a front fuel
> cell and there is no real benefit to having it up front
> for ORR anyway.
> It makes much more sense for a track car where you might
> notice a
> benefit from better weight distribution and 10 gal is
> sufficient for the
> average vintage race or track session.
>
> Gray
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On Behalf Of Michael Shortt
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:50 PM
> To: Mad Dog Antenucci
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells
>
> I know being newly undead and all is challenging but if
> you read that
> and do
> the math and notice the comma placement, it says "street
> car" at 15-17
> mpg
> and if you go back to the first part, a 100 mile race
> with 12 gallons is
> more like 8.5 mpg.
>
> The crack I have ever smoked was from friction.
>
> Michael in Savannah
>
>
> On 5/24/07, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
> >
> > Michael are you smoking crack? ;-]>
> > 10-12 gallons at a race under a 100 miles with 15-17
> MPG?!!!
> > md
> >
> > *Michael Shortt * wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I guess maybe 10-12 gallons, since most races
> fall under 100
> miles,
> > it
> > should be enough, if your street car gets 15-17 mpg,
> that's almost up
> to
> > 175-200 miles, certainly enough in one sitting to
> warrant getting out
> and
> > walking around a bit anyway.
> >
> > The floor was still there.
> >
> >
> > Michael in Savannah
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/07, www.DeTomasoRegistry.org <http://www.detomasoregistry.org/>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have photos of Eskahoff's (spelling ?) front fuel
> cell on my old
> > > website.
> > >
> > > I think it is under "famous racers".
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In those photos it looks like the fuel cell is not
> below the bottom
> of
> > > the trunk. That fuel cell could only hold a few
> gallons, maybe 10?
> > >
> > > On 5/24/07, Ken Green wrote:
> > > > If the hood is covering a fuel cell, and a gas cap
> is accessible
> > > through the hood, the hood could be attached to
> serve as a sheer
> member.
> > > I'd guess that if the hood is semi permanently
> attached at all 4
> > corners,
> > > there could be a substantial stiffening benefit, at
> least in the
> > > horizontal
> > > plane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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