[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29

[Ryan Way]

1972 yellow  Pantera in Petaluma. I      ipspected that car using 
Melton's Checklist.  That  car had a TON of cancer in the subframe. Itwas 
coming off in huge flakes  like shale.  The a arms looked rusty and the 
bodywork behind the front left bumper as well as  thedrivers side c pillar 
area looked shoddy. About all that car had goin for it was the fluidyne and 
the wheel bearings but even those were noisy. That motor was a dog too... 
guuuutless! for a can that is owned by an autorepair garage owner, one would 
think that he would maintian his own vehicles. Sorry if that offends anyone. 
I'm not trying to be a hater but I drove the car and saw it up on a rack. It 
needs a ton of work.
Ryan
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>   1. Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The
>      Dust (dferrato at aol.com)
>   2. Turkey Trays (Larry Weston)
>   3. Re: Turkey Trays (Larry - Ohio Time Corp.)
>   4. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (JJD1010 at aol.com)
>   5. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Michael Shortt)
>   6. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (bill gaino)
>   7. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Mark McWhinney)
>   8.  Turkey Trays (PanteraPlace.com)
>   9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 32, Issue 28- Bull Run (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
>  10. Re: Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
>      BitesThe Dust (Mark McWhinney)
>  11. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Mad Dog Antenucci)
>  12. Re: Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
>      BitesThe Dust (Mad Dog Antenucci)
>  13. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Mad Dog Antenucci)
>  14. Dawg barking at squirrels (Mark McWhinney)
>  15. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (doug sedon)
>  16. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>      (Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC))
>  17. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Larry - Ohio Time Corp.)
>  18. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (doug sedon)
>  19. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (doug sedon)
>  20. NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (Garth Rodericks)
>  21. Vegas Rally - Rooms available (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
>  22. Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (chris terp)
>  23. Re: Dawg barking at squirrels (Mad Dog Antenucci)
>  24. Re: Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (JDeRyke at aol.com)
>  25. Re: Dawg barking at squirrels (Mark McWhinney)
>  26. Re: Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (Mike Thomas)
>  27. Re: clutch squeal (John Taphorn)
>  28. Re: Dawg barking at squirrels (Larry - Ohio Time Corp.)
>  29. New Cleveland block (Will Demelo)
>  30. Re: New Cleveland block (Asa Jay Laughton)
>  31. Fw:  New Cleveland block (Will Demelo)
>  32. Re: Dawg barking at squirrels (Mark Tumbarello)
>  33. Painting the Armando Pan (sean mundy)
>  34. Re: Painting the Armando Pan (Mark Tumbarello)
>  35. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (RKMosier at aol.com)
>  36. Re: NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust (RKMosier at aol.com)
>  37. Re: Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  38. Re: Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  39. Re: Painting the Armando Pan (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>  40. Re: Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:26:37 -0500
> From: "dferrato at aol.com" <dferrato at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> Bites The Dust
> To: DeTomaso at realbig.com
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> Well put, Dawg.  #5972  Dave Ferrato
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:55:18 -0400
> From: "Larry Weston" <lplugw at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Turkey Trays
> To: DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
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> As I rememeber the exhaust crossover in an intake manifold was one piece 
> of
> a two part system to heat the incoming air charge for better low speed
> drivability. The other piece was the "Heat Riser",
> which was a flapper valve in the outlet end of a cast iron exhaust 
> manifold,
> controlled by a bimetallic spring.
>
> When the exhaust manifold was cold the flapper would be in the closed
> position, forcing exhaust gases up through the intake manifold crossover
> passage and out the opposite side exhaust manifold.
> The flow of the hot gases would warm the intake until the engine warmed up
> and the bimetallic element opened the flapper and the exhaust flowed out
> through the exhaust pipe. Flow through the intake manifold would 
> essentially
> cease because there is no more pressure differential pushing it through 
> the
> restrictive crossover passage.
>
> With no heat riser valve I would say what liitle exhaust gas that travels
> through the crossover passage is probably cooled by the incoming air and
> evaporating gasoline and never retains enough heat to burn/bake oil on the
> bottomside of the manifold.
>
> I'm in the middle of changing my intake. Considering the comment that 
> metal
> turkey tray gaskets can actually dent an aluminum manifold, I'm prone to
> going to the composite gaskets with no tray.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:45:53 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Turkey Trays
> To: "Larry Weston" <lplugw at hotmail.com>, <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
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> Hi Larry
>
> Yes, this is how I also remember them working. The flapper valves would 
> work
> fine till they went through there first winter in Cleveland, come spring
> they would rust closed and the cars would run like crap with all that back
> pressure.
>
> Good to have another Larry posting. Where is Young Larry?
>
> Larry (need more Larry's) - Cleveland
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Weston" <lplugw at hotmail.com>
> To: <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:55 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Turkey Trays
>
>
>> As I rememeber the exhaust crossover in an intake manifold was one piece
>> of
>> a two part system to heat the incoming air charge for better low speed
>> drivability. The other piece was the "Heat Riser",
>> which was a flapper valve in the outlet end of a cast iron exhaust
>> manifold,
>> controlled by a bimetallic spring.
>>
>> When the exhaust manifold was cold the flapper would be in the closed
>> position, forcing exhaust gases up through the intake manifold crossover
>> passage and out the opposite side exhaust manifold.
>> The flow of the hot gases would warm the intake until the engine warmed 
>> up
>> and the bimetallic element opened the flapper and the exhaust flowed out
>> through the exhaust pipe. Flow through the intake manifold would
>> essentially
>> cease because there is no more pressure differential pushing it through
>> the
>> restrictive crossover passage.
>>
>> With no heat riser valve I would say what liitle exhaust gas that travels
>> through the crossover passage is probably cooled by the incoming air and
>> evaporating gasoline and never retains enough heat to burn/bake oil on 
>> the
>> bottomside of the manifold.
>>
>> I'm in the middle of changing my intake. Considering the comment that
>> metal
>> turkey tray gaskets can actually dent an aluminum manifold, I'm prone to
>> going to the composite gaskets with no tray.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Larry
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:00:57 EDT
> From: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: MyCars at comcast.net, RKMosier at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 3/27/2007 9:05:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> MyCars at comcast.net writes:
>
> Swedish ... Koenigsegg?
>
>
>
> I thought I saw a Saleen in the paddock.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:17:51 -0400
> From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "JJD1010 at aol.com" <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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> In thinking about the comment that this incident probably generated more
> than 1.5 million dollars worth of PR for the movie...after seeing it all
> over the web and even on Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition, guess
> that it did that if nothing else.
>
> So being the curious person that I am, I looked up the movie, here's what 
> I
> found.
>
> "Redline" is an auto/action thriller that features the personal exotic car
> collection of the producer, real estate investor Daniel Sadek. Sadek who 
> is
> financing the $26 million movie used his own cars including a Phantom 
> Rolls
> Royce, Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari Enzo, Ferrari F430, Ferrari
> Scaglietti and two Mercedes SLR McLarens. Sadek's $450,000 Porsche Carrera
> GT is actually crashed during one sequence.
>
> It has actors that you have never heard of before.
>
> Then I think to myself, except for LeMans with Steve McQueen, Winning with
> Paul Newman, Gran Prix with James Garner and The Gumball Rally, there 
> hasn't
> been a decent, realistic auto movie in 30 years, the list of absolute crap
> is endless...
>
> The Fast and the Furious ( part 1 ) features perhaps the dumbest line in 
> any
> auto themed movie in history... Vin Diesel talking to the star Paul Walker
> about his now dead father, the DRAG RACER of the blown Dodge Charger, "He
> went into the first turn and hit the wall"
>
> What a dumb ass!, maybe that's why he's dead, the whole idea is to go in a
> straight line.
> The writer should be forced to eat marbles and drink nitro!
>
> Days of Thunder, Driven, Cannonballs,
>
> I'd rather watch The Great race with tony Curtis than sit through those.
>
> So this clown makes this film and destroyed an SLR and an Enzo, money and
> film aside, that just ain't right!
>
> Somebody make a decent car movie ( not animated ) that's realistic....and
> hire me while your at it.
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/28/07, JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/27/2007 9:05:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> MyCars at comcast.net writes:
>>
>> Swedish ... Koenigsegg?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I saw a Saleen in the paddock.
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:36:58 -0400 (EDT)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "JJD1010 at aol.com"
> <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Micheal, I belive you are the one who pointed out  "who put the barrier at 
> the turn anyway"  That was kinda stupid for an autocross. The guy behind 
> the wall never flinched?  You reckon it WAS staged? Makes you think hugh? 
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Mar 28, 2007 11:17 AM
>>To: "JJD1010 at aol.com" <JJD1010 at aol.com>
>>Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>>
>>In thinking about the comment that this incident probably generated more
>>than 1.5 million dollars worth of PR for the movie...after seeing it all
>>over the web and even on Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition, guess
>>that it did that if nothing else.
>>
>>So being the curious person that I am, I looked up the movie, here's what 
>>I
>>found.
>>
>>"Redline" is an auto/action thriller that features the personal exotic car
>>collection of the producer, real estate investor Daniel Sadek. Sadek who 
>>is
>>financing the $26 million movie used his own cars including a Phantom 
>>Rolls
>>Royce, Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari Enzo, Ferrari F430, Ferrari
>>Scaglietti and two Mercedes SLR McLarens. Sadek's $450,000 Porsche Carrera
>>GT is actually crashed during one sequence.
>>
>>It has actors that you have never heard of before.
>>
>>Then I think to myself, except for LeMans with Steve McQueen, Winning with
>>Paul Newman, Gran Prix with James Garner and The Gumball Rally, there 
>>hasn't
>>been a decent, realistic auto movie in 30 years, the list of absolute crap
>>is endless...
>>
>>The Fast and the Furious ( part 1 ) features perhaps the dumbest line in 
>>any
>>auto themed movie in history... Vin Diesel talking to the star Paul Walker
>>about his now dead father, the DRAG RACER of the blown Dodge Charger, "He
>>went into the first turn and hit the wall"
>>
>>What a dumb ass!, maybe that's why he's dead, the whole idea is to go in a
>>straight line.
>>The writer should be forced to eat marbles and drink nitro!
>>
>>Days of Thunder, Driven, Cannonballs,
>>
>>I'd rather watch The Great race with tony Curtis than sit through those.
>>
>>So this clown makes this film and destroyed an SLR and an Enzo, money and
>>film aside, that just ain't right!
>>
>>Somebody make a decent car movie ( not animated ) that's realistic....and
>>hire me while your at it.
>>
>>
>>Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 3/28/07, JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 3/27/2007 9:05:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>> MyCars at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> Swedish ... Koenigsegg?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I saw a Saleen in the paddock.
>>>
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>>Savannah, Georgia
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:48:52 -0700
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "'bill gaino'" <gaino at earthlink.net>, "'Michael Shortt'"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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>>> You reckon it WAS staged?
>
> That would have taken great acting skills to pull that off.
>
> (I not going to bother to pull the trigger on that joke.)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:53:54 -0400
> From: "PanteraPlace.com" <panteraplace at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso]  Turkey Trays
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV17C8B154F398760B643F0EC96D0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I tried running without the turkey pan with a Performer manifold.  I used
> regular intake gaskets with the crossover blocked off.  It ran like heck
> when it was cold and took at least 5 min before it would run ok and I have
> an operating choke.   So I took it all apart and installed the turkey pan
> and it ran fine after that.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:12:15 EDT
> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 32, Issue 28- Bull Run
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <cb3.da939a7.333beddf at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> The lambo car for the Bull Run series was at the
> Euro event last saturday... It is a series tues night
> on spike TV going from place to place with challeges
> at each stop.... This guy drives the Piss out of the
> car..... Jason in our club just missed running this
> event with the Pantera... he was 13th out of 12 selected
> Maybe next time...
>
> Bob Benson
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:30:29 -0700
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
> Enzo BitesThe Dust
> To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "'Michael Shortt'"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>
> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
> development of real race cars.  They were never designed to be raced. 
> They
> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>
> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
> any
> serious track competition.  Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile.  The 
> Bugatti
> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see 
> how
> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>
> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
> telling story.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> BitesThe Dust
>
> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
> usual you guys just don't get it.
>
>   These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC.  But in this and 
> many
> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all 
> OTHER
> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play 
> with,
> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>
>  When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's 
> Pantera
> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
> so
> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>
>  Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
> AGAIN"  And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
> on
> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>
>  If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, 
> Ferrari
> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile 
> of
> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these 
> automobiles
> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into 
> trophy
> garage queens.
>
>  I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
> questions
> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
> car........... Hell,  you know they don't even want to hear about your 
> club
> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
> SUCKER!
> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
> you
> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>
>  If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
> keys
> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>
>
>  Mad Dawg Antenucci
>  Team Pantera Racing
>  "If it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Follow Up
>
> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>
> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
> enzo
> owner!
>
>
>
> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>
> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming 
> film,
> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
> Speedway.
> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
> off
> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>
> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
> the accident.
>
> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>
> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken," 
> Zocks
> said.
>
> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive 
> producer
> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
> movie.
>
> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
> feelings" about the wreck.
>
> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
> world."
>
> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>
> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce 
> Bigalow:
> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Shortt"
> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> million
>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> makes
>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>
>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>> and
>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> soapbox
>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>
>>> Caught on tape:
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: RKMosier at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <817161.41406.qm at web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> EXACTLY....Well said Richard.
>  md
>
> RKMosier at aol.com wrote:
>  I worked a couple of days on this movie. First the owner of the car, also
> the Producer, is a car collector. He also had a, I think Swedish car, on 
> the
> set. The name escapes me at the moment. More than likely, the car is
> insured by both the Production company making the movie as well as of 
> course his
> own insurance. Second I can promise you that after the abuse the car went
> through by actors and stunt drivers by the time it goes back to the 
> factory to be
> repaired and rebuilt, it will be in better shape than what it was after 
> the
> movie finished shooting a few months ago. They beat the shit out of those
> cars. On the forum we have talked about letting people drive our Panteras.
> Well think about a 20 something want to be actor that has never even heard 
> of
> these cars getting in one. Yes they are supervised by someone the owner
> hires, but shit happens. One of the days I was on the show they burned out 
> the
> clutch on the Enzo.
>
> As I said, it will be in better shape when the factory is done with it. 
> And
> as someone else said earlier, the publicity is well worth it. After the
> movie hits DVD sales the Producer will more than get his money out of it.
>
> Richard Mosier
> 3714
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
> Enzo BitesThe Dust
> To: Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com>, 'Michael Shortt'
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, 'panteras' <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <28709.10885.qm at web50103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> BOBO-Slacker
>
>  You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
> Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in  Vegas
>  woof
>
>  md
> Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>  The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>
> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
> development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>
> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
> any
> serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see 
> how
> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>
> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
> telling story.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> BitesThe Dust
>
> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
> usual you guys just don't get it.
>
> These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and 
> many
> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all 
> OTHER
> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play 
> with,
> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>
> When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's 
> Pantera
> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
> so
> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>
> Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
> AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
> on
> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>
> If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, Ferrari
> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile 
> of
> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these 
> automobiles
> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into 
> trophy
> garage queens.
>
> I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
> questions
> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
> car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your club
> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
> SUCKER!
> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
> you
> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>
> If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
> keys
> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> "If it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Michael Shortt wrote:
> Follow Up
>
> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>
> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
> enzo
> owner!
>
>
>
> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>
> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming 
> film,
> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
> Speedway.
> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
> off
> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>
> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
> the accident.
>
> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>
> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken," 
> Zocks
> said.
>
> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive 
> producer
> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
> movie.
>
> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
> feelings" about the wreck.
>
> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
> world."
>
> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>
> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce 
> Bigalow:
> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Shortt"
> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> million
>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> makes
>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>
>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>> and
>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> soapbox
>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>
>>> Caught on tape:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yohmnd
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>, Michael Shortt
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "JJD1010 at aol.com" <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Staged? Cooooome on nooooow! ;-]>
>  md
>
> bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Micheal, I belive you are the one who pointed out "who put the barrier at 
> the turn anyway" That was kinda stupid for an autocross. The guy behind 
> the wall never flinched? You reckon it WAS staged? Makes you think hugh? 
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Shortt
>>Sent: Mar 28, 2007 11:17 AM
>>To: "JJD1010 at aol.com"
>>Cc: RKMosier at aol.com, MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>>
>>In thinking about the comment that this incident probably generated more
>>than 1.5 million dollars worth of PR for the movie...after seeing it all
>>over the web and even on Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition, guess
>>that it did that if nothing else.
>>
>>So being the curious person that I am, I looked up the movie, here's what 
>>I
>>found.
>>
>>"Redline" is an auto/action thriller that features the personal exotic car
>>collection of the producer, real estate investor Daniel Sadek. Sadek who 
>>is
>>financing the $26 million movie used his own cars including a Phantom 
>>Rolls
>>Royce, Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari Enzo, Ferrari F430, Ferrari
>>Scaglietti and two Mercedes SLR McLarens. Sadek's $450,000 Porsche Carrera
>>GT is actually crashed during one sequence.
>>
>>It has actors that you have never heard of before.
>>
>>Then I think to myself, except for LeMans with Steve McQueen, Winning with
>>Paul Newman, Gran Prix with James Garner and The Gumball Rally, there 
>>hasn't
>>been a decent, realistic auto movie in 30 years, the list of absolute crap
>>is endless...
>>
>>The Fast and the Furious ( part 1 ) features perhaps the dumbest line in 
>>any
>>auto themed movie in history... Vin Diesel talking to the star Paul Walker
>>about his now dead father, the DRAG RACER of the blown Dodge Charger, "He
>>went into the first turn and hit the wall"
>>
>>What a dumb ass!, maybe that's why he's dead, the whole idea is to go in a
>>straight line.
>>The writer should be forced to eat marbles and drink nitro!
>>
>>Days of Thunder, Driven, Cannonballs,
>>
>>I'd rather watch The Great race with tony Curtis than sit through those.
>>
>>So this clown makes this film and destroyed an SLR and an Enzo, money and
>>film aside, that just ain't right!
>>
>>Somebody make a decent car movie ( not animated ) that's realistic....and
>>hire me while your at it.
>>
>>
>>Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 3/28/07, JJD1010 at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 3/27/2007 9:05:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>> MyCars at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> Swedish ... Koenigsegg?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I saw a Saleen in the paddock.
>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:29:06 -0700
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
> To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "'Michael Shortt'"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> Doggie,
>
> I checked the driver list but did not see your name.
>
> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registrants.htm
>
> I know that it is a little scary getting on a real track, but we will be
> there to hold your hand.  The first day you can just sit in the paddock
> making vroom-vroom noises until you are confident enough to start the
> engine.
>
> As an incentive, if you get out on the track, I'll take you out afterwards
> and buy you a drink with an umbrella in it just the way you like it.
>
> You can sign up at http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registration.htm
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
> EnzoBitesThe Dust
>
> BOBO-Slacker
>
>  You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
> Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in  Vegas
>  woof
>
>  md
> Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>  The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>
> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
> development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>
> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
> any
> serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see 
> how
> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>
> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
> telling story.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> BitesThe Dust
>
> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
> usual you guys just don't get it.
>
> These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and 
> many
> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all 
> OTHER
> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play 
> with,
> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>
> When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's 
> Pantera
> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
> so
> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>
> Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
> AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
> on
> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>
> If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, Ferrari
> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile 
> of
> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these 
> automobiles
> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into 
> trophy
> garage queens.
>
> I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
> questions
> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
> car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your club
> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
> SUCKER!
> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
> you
> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>
> If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
> keys
> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> "If it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Michael Shortt wrote:
> Follow Up
>
> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>
> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
> enzo
> owner!
>
>
>
> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>
> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming 
> film,
> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
> Speedway.
> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
> off
> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>
> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
> the accident.
>
> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>
> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken," 
> Zocks
> said.
>
> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive 
> producer
> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
> movie.
>
> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
> feelings" about the wreck.
>
> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
> world."
>
> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>
> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce 
> Bigalow:
> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Shortt"
> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> million
>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> makes
>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>
>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>> and
>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> soapbox
>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>
>>> Caught on tape:
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <432145.56885.qm at web55706.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii
>
> someone please explain to me why the media keeps saying the car was a 
> total loss, destroyed, etc?  i'd wager the tab to fix it will be 2%-4% of 
> its value.
>
> doug s., #2602
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:20 -0700
> From: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
> <Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>, "de tomaso digest"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
> <3FA8D58237D9FF4698F988B172E35E0903E1188D at UCTMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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>
> The media regurgitates what the PR person tells them.  If the owner (movie 
> producer) tells his PR person to refer to it as a total loss, then that's 
> what gets picked up by the media outlets.  It sells better.  For a :10 
> second reader on the nightly news, it's probably not worth the trouble of 
> contacting a dealer or expert.
>
> $.02 from someone in the know.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of doug sedon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:19 PM
> To: de tomaso digest
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
> someone please explain to me why the media keeps saying the car was a 
> total loss, destroyed, etc?  i'd wager the tab to fix it will be 2%-4% of 
> its value.
>
> doug s., #2602
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:32:03 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>, "de tomaso digest"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <021a01c77178$34b79850$0e00a8c0 at larrysdell>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Doug, it is the same reason the weatherman tells us we are to get 24" of
> snow!  The media sensationalize everything to keep the hype going. 2" of
> snow is not news, damaging a car is not news. Now the end of the
> world...that's news.
>
> Larry (best to just turn it off) - Cleveland
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>
> To: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> someone please explain to me why the media keeps saying the car was a
>> total loss, destroyed, etc?  i'd wager the tab to fix it will be 2%-4% of
>> its value.
>>
>> doug s., #2602
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
> <Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com>, de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <45205.55995.qm at web55707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii
>
> i know the media regurgitates.  makes me sick, really.
>
>
>
> media regurgitation explains why, even tho experts knew there were no
> wmds in iraq, & that iraq had no ties to 9/11 *BEFORE* the usa
> invaded; fully 70% of the american public thought iraq had wmd's &
> iraq was directly inwolved with 9/11 fully three years *AFTER* we
> invaded iraq...  :>/
>
>
>
> but, in this case, it is something *IMPORTANT*!!!  ;~)
>
>
>
> doug s., #2602
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)" 
> <Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com>
> To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:29:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
> The media regurgitates what the PR person tells them.  If the owner (movie 
> producer) tells his PR person to refer to it as a total loss, then that's 
> what gets picked up by the media outlets.  It sells better.  For a :10 
> second reader on the nightly news, it's probably not worth the trouble of 
> contacting a dealer or expert.
>
> $.02 from someone in the know.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of doug sedon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:19 PM
> To: de tomaso digest
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
> someone please explain to me why the media keeps saying the car was a 
> total loss, destroyed, etc?  i'd wager the tab to fix it will be 2%-4% of 
> its value.
>
> doug s., #2602
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, de tomaso
> digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <239732.21352.qm at web55703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii
>
> hi larry,
>
> well, i only learned about this from the link on the pantera digest.  re: 
> the "best to just turn it off" suggestion, if you are referring to 
> television, i wouldn't dream of following your suggestion.  because i 
> would have to go out & buy a television, first...  :>)
>
> doug s., #2602
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp. <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:32:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
> Doug, it is the same reason the weatherman tells us we are to get 24" of
> snow!  The media sensationalize everything to keep the hype going. 2" of
> snow is not news, damaging a car is not news. Now the end of the
> world...that's news.
>
> Larry (best to just turn it off) - Cleveland
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>
> To: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> someone please explain to me why the media keeps saying the car was a
>> total loss, destroyed, etc?  i'd wager the tab to fix it will be 2%-4% of
>> its value.
>>
>> doug s., #2602
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:06:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: detomaso at realbig.com, larry at ohiotimecorp.com, sedond at yahoo.com
> Message-ID: <838161.99919.qm at web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> <<< The media sensationalize everything to keep the hype going. 2" of snow 
> is not news, damaging a car is not news. >>>
>
>  News sensationalism at it's best. Busted!
>  http://www.riotvideo.com/Reporter_Caught_Exaggerating_Flood.html
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:30:24 EDT
> From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Vegas Rally - Rooms available
> To: DeTomaso at Realbig.com
> Message-ID: <be8.1358be2a.333c3870 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> A last minute announcement for any of you that have put off making
> reservations at the Orleans:
>
> a handful of rooms have just been made available to us for a short time 
> and
> they will still honor the rates that were given to us before.   I'm not 
> sure
> how long they will hold them so don't dally.   Be sure to mention "POCA' 
> when
> calling.
>
> Good luck and see you in Vegas!
>
> Judy
>
>
> **************************************
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> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: chris terp <thefuture98070 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20070328225327.49287.qmail at web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I'm considering transfering my '74 to a '71 body.  I understand there are 
> body differences.  Does anyone have thoughts that could help me out?
>
>  By the way, I will end up with extra front end parts that will be posted 
> here.  Let me know if you are looking for any part in particular.
>
>  Chris Terp
>  thefuture98070 at yahoo.com
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
> To: Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com>, 'Michael Shortt'
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, 'panteras' <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <611800.46197.qm at web50108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> bOBO
>  Can I be in the begineers group? ;-]>
>  When are you coming to Silver State?
>  md
>
> Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>
> Doggie,
>
> I checked the driver list but did not see your name.
>
> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registrants.htm
>
> I know that it is a little scary getting on a real track, but we will be
> there to hold your hand. The first day you can just sit in the paddock
> making vroom-vroom noises until you are confident enough to start the
> engine.
>
> As an incentive, if you get out on the track, I'll take you out afterwards
> and buy you a drink with an umbrella in it just the way you like it.
>
> You can sign up at http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registration.htm
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
> EnzoBitesThe Dust
>
> BOBO-Slacker
>
> You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
> Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in Vegas
> woof
>
> md
> Mark McWhinney wrote:
> The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>
> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
> development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>
> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
> any
> serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see 
> how
> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>
> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
> telling story.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> BitesThe Dust
>
> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
> usual you guys just don't get it.
>
> These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and 
> many
> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all 
> OTHER
> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play 
> with,
> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>
> When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's 
> Pantera
> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
> so
> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>
> Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
> AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
> on
> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>
> If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, Ferrari
> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile 
> of
> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these 
> automobiles
> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into 
> trophy
> garage queens.
>
> I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
> questions
> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
> car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your club
> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
> SUCKER!
> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
> you
> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>
> If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
> keys
> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> "If it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Michael Shortt wrote:
> Follow Up
>
> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>
> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
> enzo
> owner!
>
>
>
> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>
> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming 
> film,
> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
> Speedway.
> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
> off
> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>
> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
> the accident.
>
> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>
> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken," 
> Zocks
> said.
>
> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive 
> producer
> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
> movie.
>
> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
> feelings" about the wreck.
>
> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
> world."
>
> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>
> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce 
> Bigalow:
> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Shortt"
> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> million
>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> makes
>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>
>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>> and
>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> soapbox
>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>
>>> Caught on tape:
>>>
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>> Savannah, Georgia
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:08:53 EDT
> From: JDeRyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: thefuture98070 at yahoo.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <c38.125616da.333c5d95 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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> In a message dated 3/28/07 2:54:03 PM, thefuture98070 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> << I'm considering transfering my '74 to a '71 body.  I understand there 
> are
> body differences.  Does anyone have thoughts that could help me out? >>
>
> I assume you're talking of the interiors, not the fenders, grille, 
> bumpers,
> gas tank and other stuff thats different in the two years. If its the 
> interior
> thats motivating this task, the '74 dash requires the '74 heater/defroster 
> box
> that matches it, and also requires the '74 console to match the dash. Once
> you've got both dashboards out of the cars parked side-by-side, you'll see 
> the
> problems. Its not too bad of a job if both cars are there and are 
> complete, but
> it will keep you busy for a while! Do not depend on any 'factory' 
> schematic
> to tell you which wires go where, either. ALL the schematics are wrong in 
> at
> least one area and that varies with the car in question. And you have two 
> cars
> to deal with.... Most of us simply use a VOM and annotate a schematic to 
> fit
> the car(s). Good luck & keep us posted- J Deryke
> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.</HTML>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:43:47 -0700
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
> To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "'Michael Shortt'"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>, "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20070329004352.A558132C00C at smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> I never claimed to be anything other than a slacker.  So far, I have a
> perfect record.
>
> Mark
>
> Still the 1st & only vintage team to slack all ORR events.
> Some people said it couldn't be done. . .what they really meant was they
> hadn't done it yet!
> "Slacking is life. . .everything that happens before or after is just
> racing."
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:08 PM
> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
>
> bOBO
>  Can I be in the begineers group? ;-]>
>  When are you coming to Silver State?
>  md
>
> Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>
> Doggie,
>
> I checked the driver list but did not see your name.
>
> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registrants.htm
>
> I know that it is a little scary getting on a real track, but we will be
> there to hold your hand. The first day you can just sit in the paddock
> making vroom-vroom noises until you are confident enough to start the
> engine.
>
> As an incentive, if you get out on the track, I'll take you out afterwards
> and buy you a drink with an umbrella in it just the way you like it.
>
> You can sign up at http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registration.htm
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
> EnzoBitesThe Dust
>
> BOBO-Slacker
>
> You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
> Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in Vegas
> woof
>
> md
> Mark McWhinney wrote:
> The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>
> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
> development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>
> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
> any
> serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see 
> how
> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>
> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
> telling story.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
> BitesThe Dust
>
> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
> usual you guys just don't get it.
>
> These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and 
> many
> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all 
> OTHER
> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play 
> with,
> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>
> When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's 
> Pantera
> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
> so
> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>
> Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
> AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
> on
> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>
> If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, Ferrari
> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile 
> of
> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these 
> automobiles
> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into 
> trophy
> garage queens.
>
> I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
> questions
> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
> car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your club
> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
> SUCKER!
> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
> you
> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>
> If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
> keys
> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> "If it was easy you'd do it"
>
> Michael Shortt wrote:
> Follow Up
>
> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>
> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
> enzo
> owner!
>
>
>
> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>
> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming 
> film,
> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
> Speedway.
> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
> off
> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>
> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
> the accident.
>
> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>
> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken," 
> Zocks
> said.
>
> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive 
> producer
> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
> movie.
>
> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
> feelings" about the wreck.
>
> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
> world."
>
> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>
> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce 
> Bigalow:
> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Shortt"
> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>
>
>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> million
>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> makes
>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>
>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>> and
>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> soapbox
>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>
>>> Caught on tape:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yohmnd
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>> --
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>> Savannah, Georgia
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:52:51 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: "'chris terp'" <thefuture98070 at yahoo.com>, <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <S561522AbXC2Awt/20070329005257Z+671 at realbig.com>
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> Chris
> Are you looking to just go to the small bumper look?  Did you want to 
> remove
> the turn signal pods from the front and hang some early bumpers on it, or
> simply put the small front bumpers on?
> The rear is pretty simple - plug the holes for the one piece bumper and 
> hang
> the small pre-L units.  Since you are having to rebuild the entire back of
> the car (how is that going, by the way?), it should be a small part of 
> what
> you have going on.
> Mike Thomas
> Panteras Northwest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of chris terp
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:53 PM
> To: DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
>
> I'm considering transfering my '74 to a '71 body.  I understand there are
> body differences.  Does anyone have thoughts that could help me out?
>
>  By the way, I will end up with extra front end parts that will be posted
> here.  Let me know if you are looking for any part in particular.
>
>  Chris Terp
>  thefuture98070 at yahoo.com
>
>
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>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:08:45 -0500
> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] clutch squeal
> To: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>, <frb3 at comcast.net>, "Bill Taylor"
> <sobill at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <004601c7719e$cd066bb0$c600a8c0 at Millennia>
>
> It may also be the pilot bushing should you not be running a bearing.  I 
> had
> this issue two years ago.  I also blame it on a potential misalignment of
> the ZF input shaft to the crank centerline caused by line boring the main
> journals on two occasions.  Although, I never took measurements and, as
> such, it remains a hypothesis. It may also have been aggravated by using a
> ferrous bushing.  In any event, I replaced the pilot bushing, lubed it 
> well
> and so far no more squeaky.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>; <frb3 at comcast.net>; "Bill Taylor"
> <sobill at aol.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:14 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] clutch squeal
>
>
>> <<< when you let out the clutch in first gear sometimes there is a small
>> squeal for just a second or two >>>
>>
>>  It's the rear tires!  Try not to rev it so high and let the clutch out a
>> bit slower and you shouldn't break rubber every time.  ;o)
>>
>>  Seriously, I agree with Bill. Sounds like the throw-out bearing.
>>
>>  Cheers!
>>  Garth
>>
>>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:47 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
> To: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>, "'Mad Dog Antenucci'"
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "'Michael Shortt'" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>,
> "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> <<I never claimed to be anything other than a slacker.>>
>
> Mark I bet you spend all your time here.
>
> http://www.slacker.com/
>
>
> Larry (I should talk) - Cleveland
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "'Michael Shortt'"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; "'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
>
>
>>
>> I never claimed to be anything other than a slacker.  So far, I have a
>> perfect record.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Still the 1st & only vintage team to slack all ORR events.
>> Some people said it couldn't be done. . .what they really meant was they
>> hadn't done it yet!
>> "Slacking is life. . .everything that happens before or after is just
>> racing."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:08 PM
>> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
>>
>> bOBO
>>  Can I be in the begineers group? ;-]>
>>  When are you coming to Silver State?
>>  md
>>
>> Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>>
>> Doggie,
>>
>> I checked the driver list but did not see your name.
>>
>> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registrants.htm
>>
>> I know that it is a little scary getting on a real track, but we will be
>> there to hold your hand. The first day you can just sit in the paddock
>> making vroom-vroom noises until you are confident enough to start the
>> engine.
>>
>> As an incentive, if you get out on the track, I'll take you out 
>> afterwards
>> and buy you a drink with an umbrella in it just the way you like it.
>>
>> You can sign up at 
>> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registration.htm
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
>> EnzoBitesThe Dust
>>
>> BOBO-Slacker
>>
>> You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
>> Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in Vegas
>> woof
>>
>> md
>> Mark McWhinney wrote:
>> The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>>
>> These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
>> development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
>> are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>>
>> Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see
>> any
>> serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
>> even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see
>> how
>> much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>>
>> The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
>> telling story.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
>> To: Michael Shortt; panteras
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
>> BitesThe Dust
>>
>> At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to 
>> loan
>> his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
>> usual you guys just don't get it.
>>
>> These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
>> Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
>> automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and
>> many
>> other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is 
>> willing
>> to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
>> outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all
>> OTHER
>> owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play
>> with,
>> re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>>
>> When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
>> apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's
>> Pantera
>> and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
>> would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were
>> so
>> DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones 
>> who
>> said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>>
>> Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
>> AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him
>> on
>> building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
>> else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>>
>> If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, 
>> Ferrari
>> Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
>> you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile
>> of
>> yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these
>> automobiles
>> were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into
>> trophy
>> garage queens.
>>
>> I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
>> else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test
>> questions
>> about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
>> car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your 
>> club
>> racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check
>> SUCKER!
>> but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
>> choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless
>> you
>> signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>>
>> If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
>> vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the
>> keys
>> to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>>
>>
>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
>> Team Pantera Racing
>> "If it was easy you'd do it"
>>
>> Michael Shortt wrote:
>> Follow Up
>>
>> This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>>
>> The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former
>> enzo
>> owner!
>>
>>
>>
>> IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
>> Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
>> racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>>
>> The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming
>> film,
>> "Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale
>> Speedway.
>> Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted
>> off
>> the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>>
>> "Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
>> brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said 
>> after
>> the accident.
>>
>> The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>>
>> "He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken,"
>> Zocks
>> said.
>>
>> The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive
>> producer
>> of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in 
>> the
>> movie.
>>
>> Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
>> feelings" about the wreck.
>>
>> "I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got 
>> destroyed,"
>> Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
>> there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in 
>> the
>> world."
>>
>> Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>>
>> Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce
>> Bigalow:
>> Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Shortt"
>> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>>
>>
>>> Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong survive.
>>> Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>>> million
>>> dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>>> not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>>> makes
>>> you a &^%$ idiot.
>>> At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest of
>>> Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>>>
>>> Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an Enzo
>>> and
>>> considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>>> soapbox
>>> derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>>> Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>>>>
>>>> Caught on tape:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yohmnd
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> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:18:11 -0400
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Cleveland block
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <003701c771a8$82342b90$2d2f8d18 at D58FR581>
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>
> The following is a clip from the PI board. Contact this fellow for details 
> on a new Cleveland block. I'm just the messenger. Will
>
>
> My name is Tod Buttermore and I was invited to this forum by George Pence, 
> a loyal backer of my new 351C project. For those interested, I am about 
> 4-8 weeks away from casting a sample block or two. I intend to have a 
> couple of samples machined and built by a reputable builder, make any 
> alterations that may need done and then start to fill initial orders of 
> the 20-30 anxiously waiting Cleveland fans that have borne with my efforts 
> for the last 9 months or so. If you would like to know more I can post 
> some more info here, or if you would like to have your name added to a 
> list of prospective customers email me privately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tod
>
> tlb427 at sbcglobal.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:23:49 -0700
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Cleveland block
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <460B2335.1050206 at asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> 20 - 30 anxiously awaiting Cleveland fans?
>
> What the hell?  Is this guy living in a cave?
> Gotta be more than that.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
>
> 1973 Pantera L 5533
> [ASASCAT]
>
> ******************************
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.351c.info
>
>
>
>
> Will Demelo wrote:
>> The following is a clip from the PI board. Contact this fellow for 
>> details on a new Cleveland block. I'm just the messenger. Will
>>
>>
>> My name is Tod Buttermore and I was invited to this forum by George 
>> Pence, a loyal backer of my new 351C project. For those interested, I am 
>> about 4-8 weeks away from casting a sample block or two. I intend to have 
>> a couple of samples machined and built by a reputable builder, make any 
>> alterations that may need done and then start to fill initial orders of 
>> the 20-30 anxiously waiting Cleveland fans that have borne with my 
>> efforts for the last 9 months or so. If you would like to know more I can 
>> post some more info here, or if you would like to have your name added to 
>> a list of prospective customers email me privately.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tod
>>
>> tlb427 at sbcglobal.net
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> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:30:32 -0400
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw:  New Cleveland block
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> 20-30 confirmed. Many are saying they want one, but not many have 
> confirmed
> directly to him.
> Will
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Cleveland block
>
>
>> 20 - 30 anxiously awaiting Cleveland fans?
>>
>> What the hell?  Is this guy living in a cave?
>> Gotta be more than that.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>>
>> 1973 Pantera L 5533
>> [ASASCAT]
>>
>> ******************************
>> http://www.asajay.com
>> http://www.351c.info
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Will Demelo wrote:
>>> The following is a clip from the PI board. Contact this fellow for
>>> details on a new Cleveland block. I'm just the messenger. Will
>>>
>>>
>>> My name is Tod Buttermore and I was invited to this forum by George
>>> Pence, a loyal backer of my new 351C project. For those interested, I am
>>> about 4-8 weeks away from casting a sample block or two. I intend to 
>>> have
>>> a couple of samples machined and built by a reputable builder, make any
>>> alterations that may need done and then start to fill initial orders of
>>> the 20-30 anxiously waiting Cleveland fans that have borne with my
>>> efforts for the last 9 months or so. If you would like to know more I 
>>> can
>>> post some
>> more info here, or if you would like to have your name added to a list of
>> prospective customers email me privately.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tod
>>>
>>> tlb427 at sbcglobal.net
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> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:38:19 -0700
> From: "Mark Tumbarello" <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
> To: msm at portata.com, teampantera at yahoo.com, michaelsavga at gmail.com,
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BAY119-F35CC8EDD81722B590D6DAFD26C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Yeah!, what he said.
>
>>From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
>>To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>,"'Michael Shortt'"
>><michaelsavga at gmail.com>,"'panteras'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
>>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:43:47 -0700
>>
>>
>>I never claimed to be anything other than a slacker.  So far, I have a
>>perfect record.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>Still the 1st & only vintage team to slack all ORR events.
>>Some people said it couldn't be done. . .what they really meant was they
>>hadn't done it yet!
>>"Slacking is life. . .everything that happens before or after is just
>>racing."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>>On
>>Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:08 PM
>>To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dawg barking at squirrels
>>
>>bOBO
>>   Can I be in the begineers group? ;-]>
>>   When are you coming to Silver State?
>>   md
>>
>>Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
>>
>>Doggie,
>>
>>I checked the driver list but did not see your name.
>>
>>http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registrants.htm
>>
>>I know that it is a little scary getting on a real track, but we will be
>>there to hold your hand. The first day you can just sit in the paddock
>>making vroom-vroom noises until you are confident enough to start the
>>engine.
>>
>>As an incentive, if you get out on the track, I'll take you out afterwards
>>and buy you a drink with an umbrella in it just the way you like it.
>>
>>You can sign up at http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/track_registration.htm
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>>On
>>Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:59 AM
>>To: Mark McWhinney; 'Michael Shortt'; 'panteras'
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another
>>EnzoBitesThe Dust
>>
>>BOBO-Slacker
>>
>>You mean REAL race cars like the Pantera? ;-]>
>>Look for me in your CCTV rear view mirror in Vegas
>>woof
>>
>>md
>>Mark McWhinney wrote:
>>The dog's barking at squirrels again.
>>
>>These high-end road cars are built to generate money to support the
>>development of real race cars. They were never designed to be raced. They
>>are designed to be driven (or more likely garaged) by wealthy people.
>>
>>Few Enzos are going to see track time, and no Enzo is ever going to see 
>>any
>>serious track competition. Ditto for the Bugatti Posermobile. The Bugatti
>>even has an HP gauge on the dash so the Viagra-generation driver can see
>>how
>>much of that 1,001 HP he is generating.
>>
>>The fact that the Enzo came to its demise in a parking lot is a sad but
>>telling story.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>>On
>>Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:53 AM
>>To: Michael Shortt; panteras
>>Subject: [DeTomaso] Flamethrower engage....Re: Fwd: NPC - Another Enzo
>>BitesThe Dust
>>
>>At least he put the Enzo on the track and raced it....his decision to loan
>>his ride to someone with questionable driving skills is arguable but as
>>usual you guys just don't get it.
>>
>>These automobilies were designed to be RACED. The fact that Ferrari or
>>Bugatti, Porsche or even Corvette and others sell these high performance
>>automobiles to non-racers is beyound sad ITS PATHETIC. But in this and 
>>many
>>other cases you have to give credit to the individual owner who is willing
>>to put his priceless automobile on a race track at speed and push the
>>outside of the envelope. Which is more then you can say for 99% of all
>>OTHER
>>owners of high performance automobiles who buy them to pose with, play
>>with,
>>re-engineer and race old guys in new Corvettes.
>>
>>When Charlie Pucket and Erik Belter both went into the tire wall a day
>>apart at Thunder Hill a couple 2-3 years ago totally wrecking Erik's
>>Pantera
>>and severaly damaging Charlies I had at least 10 Pantera owners say they
>>would never take their Pantera's on a track or ORR event again they were 
>>so
>>DISTURBED by what had happened....and that doesn't even count the ones who
>>said the same thing after my little fire... ;-]>
>>
>>Both Charlie and Erik were like "HELL YES I AM GOING TO REBUILD AND RACE
>>AGAIN" And Charlie is already racing again and Erik isn't far behind him 
>>on
>>building a dedicated race Pantera but in the meantime he races everything
>>else (shifter carts, spec Miata, etc).
>>
>>If you don't see the beauty in running after or passing a Bugatti, Ferrari
>>Enzo or F40, Saleen S7's, or even another Pantera you're not a racer and
>>you need to turn your keys over to someone who will spank that automobile
>>of
>>yours. Again 99% of you guys once again fail to understand these
>>automobiles
>>were meant to be driven hard and put away wet. STOP turning them into
>>trophy
>>garage queens.
>>
>>I understand how the free enterprise system works...Ferrari and everyone
>>else just take your money and hand you the keys. No multiple test 
>>questions
>>about your driving experience or what plans you have to race the
>>car........... Hell, you know they don't even want to hear about your club
>>racing plans or your lack of driving skills....just write the check 
>>SUCKER!
>>but if I was king I'd stop all that. No matter how much money you were
>>choking on you couldn't buy MY Panteras, Ferrari's and Porsche's unless 
>>you
>>signed a blood oath you would wring the hell out of them on the track.
>>
>>If you can't afford to race your 310 to 1100 HP automobile (including a
>>vintage Pantera) then you are beyound gay.....you should just hand the 
>>keys
>>to someone who will race it. Okay who else is signing up for ORR?
>>
>>
>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>Team Pantera Racing
>>"If it was easy you'd do it"
>>
>>Michael Shortt wrote:
>>Follow Up
>>
>>This made abcnews.com 's Front Page
>>
>>The genius who let him drive the car - Daniel Sadek, producer & former 
>>enzo
>>owner!
>>
>>
>>
>>IRWINDALE, Calif. Mar 27, 2007 (AP)- Eddie Griffin crashed a rare Ferrari
>>Enzo worth $1.5 million into a concrete barrier while practicing at a
>>racetrack Monday, destroying the car but escaping uninjured.
>>
>>The comedian was practicing for a charity race to promote his upcoming
>>film,
>>"Redline," when he drove too fast around a curve at the Irwindale 
>>Speedway.
>>Video footage showed the red sports car screeching before it ricocheted 
>>off
>>the barrier with heavy damage to its front.
>>
>>"Undercover Brother's good at karate and all the rest of that, but the
>>brother can't drive," Griffin, referring to one his past films, said after
>>the accident.
>>
>>The film's publicist, Wendy Zocks, said Griffin was "doing OK."
>>
>>"He walked away completely unscratched, but probably a little shaken,"
>>Zocks
>>said.
>>
>>The Enzo, valued at around $1.5 million, was owned by the executive
>>producer
>>of "Redline," Daniel Sadek, whose exotic car collection is featured in the
>>movie.
>>
>>Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed
>>feelings" about the wreck.
>>
>>"I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed,"
>>Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought,
>>there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the
>>world."
>>
>>Only 400 Ferrari Enzos were ever produced, all between 2002 and 2004.
>>
>>Griffin's credits include the comedies "Undercover Brother"; "Deuce
>>Bigalow:
>>Male Gigolo" and its sequel; "Date Movie"; and "Norbit."
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Michael Shortt"
>>To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)"
>>Cc:
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:25 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
>>
>>
>> > Law of the jungle at work, the weak shall perish and the strong 
>> > survive.
>> > Having 1 million dollars to spend on a car ( or even worse having 1
>> > million
>> > dollars for a car and letting ANYBODY else drive it )
>> > not only doesn't make you a race car driver ( ROFLMAO Solo 2), it also
>> > makes
>> > you a &^%$ idiot.
>> > At this rate, there won't be any Enzo's left in 33years (the youngest 
>> > of
>> > Panteras, not counting those continuation cars).
>> >
>> > Next up, Steve the lawyer who just won a huge settlement, bought an 
>> > Enzo
>> > and
>> > considers himself M. Schumacher because he once won a trophy in the
>> > soapbox
>> > derby back in 1969! ( insert Ford GT as well).
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/26/07, Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC) <
>> > Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks to a celebrity at Irwindale Speedway.
>> >>
>> >> Caught on tape:
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/yohmnd
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> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:44:58 -0700
> From: "sean mundy" <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Painting the Armando Pan
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BAY119-F376719ED4881786B56335BD6C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Do you have to paint the Armando pan's?  They seem to be plated with
> something but not sure if this is good for permanent solution. Has anyone
> who purchased an Armando pan painted it?  What kind of paint did you use?
>
> Thanks, Sean M.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:56:31 -0700
> From: "Mark Tumbarello" <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Painting the Armando Pan
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BAY119-F2429930EA18BB88F7787E6D26C0 at phx.gbl>
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> I have an Aviad pan that was plated. When it went throught the wash it
> turned ugly so I painted it, but nothing would stick to it and the paint 
> all
> flaked off in big sheets. I just had it powder coated. It's a real nice
> silver chrome now.  Mark
>>From: "sean mundy" <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
>>To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: [DeTomaso] Painting the Armando Pan
>>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:44:58 -0700
>>
>>Do you have to paint the Armando pan's?  They seem to be plated with
>>something but not sure if this is good for permanent solution. Has anyone
>>who purchased an Armando pan painted it?  What kind of paint did you use?
>>
>>Thanks, Sean M.
>>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:33:49 EDT
> From: RKMosier at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <d10.6dd3d48.333c9bad at aol.com>
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> There was a Saleen there.  I don't know who owned it and they didn't  use 
> it
> when I was on the show.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:38:18 EDT
> From: RKMosier at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Another Enzo Bites The Dust
> To: gaino at earthlink.net, michaelsavga at gmail.com, JJD1010 at aol.com
> Cc: MyCars at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 3/28/2007 8:37:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> gaino at earthlink.net writes:
>
> You  reckon it WAS staged?
>
>
> That was a comment made by a crew member today on the set I was on. 
> Which
> by the way was at Fontana Speedway on a show called "The Bucket  List".
> Nothing about cars but they had a 66 mustang built to look like a  Shelby 
> Mustang
> GT350.  A truly junkyard car dressed up.  It is toast  now.
>
> Richard
>
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> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:49:49 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: thefuture98070 at yahoo.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <d28.8680bb4.333c9f6d at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 3/28/07 15 54 8, thefuture98070 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> I'm considering transfering my '74 to a '71 body.? I understand there are
>> body differences.? Does anyone have thoughts that could help me out?
>>
>> >>>The bodies are substantially the same, differing only in the slightest
> details.   The most obvious difference is the bumpers; the later cars have
> one-piece bumpers whereas the early cars have two chrome bumperettes, as 
> I'm sure
> you're well aware.   In the front, the '74 has the front turn signals 
> mounted in
> pods which are welded to the underside of the fenders, whereas the '71 
> uses
> these same turn signals mounted in the front bumperettes.   The shape of 
> the
> 'gills' on the side of the car behind the side glass is different too; the 
> '74
> gills won't fit the '71 body.   If your '71 is an earlier car, the 
> stainless
> steel window trim and windshield trim are different also.   And finally, 
> the '71
> would have a decklid without a reinforcement rib.
>
> There are also some minor differences with the front spindles, brake 
> rotors,
> etc. and so forth, but they are fairly trivial, and parts (or assemblies) 
> will
> interchange easily.
>
> Other than that, they are basically the same.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
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> Message: 38
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:54:51 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: JDeRyke at aol.com, thefuture98070 at yahoo.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ca6.cc684c1.333ca09b at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 3/28/07 17 09 36, JDeRyke at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Do not depend on any 'factory' schematic
>> to tell you which wires go where, either. ALL the schematics are wrong in 
>> at
>> least one area and that varies with the car in question.
>>
>
>>>>A broad, and highly innaccurate generalization.   I have the wiring
> harness from #6020 in my car; it matches the L-model wiring diagram 
> PERFECTLY in all
> regards, front to back, top to bottom, side to side.
>
> It's true that the early cars could be pretty flaky.   Ford's TSBs even
> referenced the fact that the wiring schemes were highly variable early on. 
> But by
> the time the '73 L-model was rolling down the line, Ford was firmly in
> control and things were highly standardized.
>
> Mike
>
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> Message: 39
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:56:28 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Painting the Armando Pan
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <c05.12e9c2f4.333ca0fc at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 3/28/07 19 45 45, seanmundy at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Do you have to paint the Armando pan's?? They seem to be plated with
>> something but not sure if this is good for permanent solution. Has anyone
>> who purchased an Armando pan painted it?? What kind of paint did you use?
>>
>
>>>>They are cad-plated (or whatever the current EPA-friendly substitute 
>>>>is),
> and ready to run as-is.   No further work is required....
>
> Mike
>
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> Message: 40
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:12:04 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference Between '71 and '74 Bodies
> To: pantera007 at sbcglobal.net, DeTomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <c17.14a0bf64.333ca4a4 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 3/28/07 22 07 41, pantera007 at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> Front fenders (wheel arch) and the headlight opening...
>>
>
>>>>That's right, I forgot--L-model cars had the fender lips rolled (it's 
>>>>easy
> to do the same thing to your Pre-L fender), and the headlight buckets (and
> thus the headlight opening in the fenders) were a different size.
>
> Thanks Chuck!
>
> Mike
>
>
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