[DeTomaso] Fw: Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment(WasEngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)

Sat Mar 10 14:07:39 EST 2007


>
> Will,
> Since I don't want to push my luck by running The Beast until I know it's 
> safe, do you have a guess for what lash to use cold?
> It does't have to be exact, I'm just trying to see how far out of 
> adjustment it is prior to disassembly.
> Thanks.
> Dan
> pS; no cam card came with the engine, nor do I know the part number.
> I have a cast iron block and aluminum heads.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Charles McCall'" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; "'Dan Courtney'" 
> <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "'Donny Williams'" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "'Mad 
> Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com" 
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: 3/10/07 6:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment 
> (WasEngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)
>
> To make things more interesting, the valve lash should be measured hot.
>
> We all know when your car heats up, things expand.  Since all the parts 
> are
> made of different metals, they expand at different rates.
>
> If you have aluminum heads, they'll expand more than your pushrods, so hot
> lash will be greater than cold lash.
>
> If you set the lash hot, the engine will cool enough before you finish to
> make the final valves different than the first ones you set.  To be 
> honest,
> I doubt it would be significant enough to matter.  But... it can be a pain
> to set lash hot.
>
> I normally set it cold, and check it hot.  If you check it both hot and
> cold, you'll see how much it grows.  That way you can set it cold.
>
> My aluminum head 428 grew about 0.010.  My aluminum head 351C grows about
> 0.008.  I also have a CompCams 282S, but I set the lash cold at 0.014.
>
> Will.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Charles McCall
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:08 AM
> To: 'Dan Courtney'; 'Donny Williams'; 'Mad Dog Antenucci';
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment
> (WasEngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)
>
> Valve lash is cam-specific. You should find your cam card, which will give
> you the required lash.
>
> On my car, the CompCams 282S, it calls for 0.022".ç
>
> Charles McCall
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
> http://members.aol.com/PanteraGT5S1985/
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>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> nombre de Dan Courtney
> Enviado el: Saturday, 10 March, 2007 10:08 AM
> Para: Donny Williams; Mad Dog Antenucci; detomaso at realbig.com
> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment (Was
> EngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)
>
> I'm going to yank the distributor in the AM but before I pull the rockers
> and check the pushrods I want to see how far out of adjustment this cam is
> (4 or 5 on each side loose as heck as they sit).
> Does anyone know how much clearance there should be, or are all solid 
> lifter
> cams adjusted by the same method?
> Could well have been pushrods I heard. At first I thought my electric fuel
> pump was working overtime, remembered I had a full 10 gallon cell, and 
> then
> it got louder, all during one lap.
> I'm also sending out a specimen and dissecting the oil filter.
>
> Dan
> Dan F. Courtney
>
>
> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services La Jolla, CA
>
> Phone (858) 551-5455
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>
>
>> Because I have not used them I am not sure if they do metelurgy or not 
>> you
>
>> would have to ask them.  If its Dizzy gear it will have a golden sheen to
>> it.  If it silver sheen not so good..... If you cut that filter apart you
>> will be suprised what you see in there and should be able to identify the
>> metal type yourself by the color.
>>
>> The fact you have dropped no oil pressure is a very good signal at least.
>> Did you check to make you do not maybe have a bent pushrod?  That sounds
>> pretty plausible in this.    Is it a knock or a loud tap your hearing?  I
>> would try to isolate that area if you can, and still stand on where I
>> would begin to check and try, before I decided to yank it.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
>> To: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>
>>
>>> Donny,
>>>
>>> Right, no drop at all in oil pressure. Couldn't tell where the 
>>> knock/clap
>
>>> was coming from.
>>> If I send the oil in for analysis, can they tell the difference between
>>> the dis gear and bearings?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>
>>>
>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>
>>> Phone (858) 551-5455
>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>>> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dan I am betting it is your bronze gear your seeing in the oil, and its
>>>> nothing more then a rocker adjustment if your not knocking somewhere
>>>> low!
>>>>
>>>> My plan would be pull the dizzy look at your gear for wear, change the
>>>> oil filters, I might inspect the bottom of your lifters if they are
>>>> roller then adjust up your rockers and give it a whirl.... You did not
>>>> drop oil pressure right?   I am now betting your problem is nothing 
>>>> more
>
>>>> then some top end maintenance.   And I am sure you hope the same.  You
>>>> might just be ok here Mister............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
>>>> To: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Donny,
>>>>>
>>>>> I may just do that. There is a bronze gear and the rockers are very
>>>>> loose, so it MAY be just the solid lifter cam in need of adjustment,
>>>>> but I'd hate to guess wrong (again).
>>>>> I just finished dropping a rebuilt SBC into my 67 Chevy trailer hauler
>>>>> last night so the cherry picker is still assembled and in the 
>>>>> garage...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone (858) 551-5455
>>>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>>>>> To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "Dan Courtney"
>>>>> <dfcex at pacbell.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My thought is if you have metallic sheen thats all you need to know.
>>>>>> Cut your filter and look for metal imbedded in the element.  If you
>>>>>> got noise I am betting bearings.  Are you running a bronze dizzy 
>>>>>> gear?
>
>>>>>> That could be a source of sheen, but so is copper bearing..... Change
>>>>>> the oil hope for the best, or pull it out which would be a direction
>>>>>> you would have to take to inspect it properly anyway.  What does the
>>>>>> noise sound like? Personally, I would save your money on the oil
>>>>>> analysis, heck, you already know you got metal...He would just say 
>>>>>> yep
>
>>>>>> there is metal in your oil........At that point its not that 
>>>>>> important
>
>>>>>> what type, you will have to pull it out anyway to fix it.  And should
>>>>>> be easy to find the source with the inspection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:25 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for race report.....sorry to hear about your engine.....you
>>>>>>> drain the oil and pull filters yet?  Do a leak down test?  As Bob
>>>>>>> Benson likes to say if you aren't breaking anything you aren't 
>>>>>>> trying
>
>>>>>>> hard enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  md
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan Courtney <dfcex at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>  I was wondering if anyone remembers the contact info for the 
>>>>>>> company
>
>>>>>>> that performs an analysis of engine oil.
>>>>>>> "The Beast" got a hard work-out at Willow Springs last week and was
>>>>>>> making some noise by Sunday afternoon.
>>>>>>> Nothing obvious when I pulled the valve covers but the oil has a
>>>>>>> metallic sheen.
>>>>>>> Speaking of Willow Springs, we had a decent showing of Panteras but,
>>>>>>> sadly, no Panteras ran in the exhibition race, for the first time I
>>>>>>> can recall.
>>>>>>> I arrived late and had no chance to warm up, Greg Esakoff snaped the
>>>>>>> input shaft of his ZF Friday, Chris Qualls (sp) had an axle snap
>>>>>>> Saturday morning and went 4 wheeling and the other Panteras present
>>>>>>> (Jim Saxtons Group IV, now owned by Jeff), Dr. Abe, and a beautiful
>>>>>>> red former Woodhouse Pantera all ran different groups.
>>>>>>> The red group was very fast with alot of blazing fast Porches,
>>>>>>> Ferraris and Vipers leading the pack. "The Beast" was holding it's
>>>>>>> own by Sunday afternoon but some of those cars were just too darn
>>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>>>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>>>>
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