[DeTomaso] Fw: Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment (Was EngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)

Sat Mar 10 14:08:24 EST 2007


> Thanks Donny, it is a roller cam.
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci" 
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: 3/10/07 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment (Was 
> EngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)
>
> Dan-  You probably have zero-ed in on your ill.... They should not be 
> loose
> as heck!  They should have .020-.024 clearance max open.   We talking a
> roller or flat tappet here? Curious.
>
> All solid lifter cams are set with a feeler gauge.  You will have to roll
> the engine to get the valve on the base circle  Fully Open on the cam.  If
> you fail to do this your lash setting adjustment will end up being looser
> then an X rated film.  Always go back and verify your settings/adjustment 
> a
> second time is my sound advise unless you are a pro at it!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
> To: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:08 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Solid Lifter HIGH Lift Roller Cam Adjustment (Was
> EngineOil Analysis / Willow Springs Update)
>
>
>> I'm going to yank the distributor in the AM but before I pull the rockers
>> and check the pushrods I want to see how far out of adjustment this cam 
>> is
>> (4 or 5 on each side loose as heck as they sit).
>> Does anyone know how much clearance there should be, or are all solid
>> lifter
>> cams adjusted by the same method?
>> Could well have been pushrods I heard. At first I thought my electric 
>> fuel
>> pump was working overtime, remembered I had a full 10 gallon cell, and
>> then
>> it got louder, all during one lap.
>> I'm also sending out a specimen and dissecting the oil filter.
>>
>> Dan
>> Dan F. Courtney
>>
>>
>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>> La Jolla, CA
>>
>> Phone (858) 551-5455
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>
>>
>>> Because I have not used them I am not sure if they do metelurgy or not
>>> you
>>> would have to ask them.  If its Dizzy gear it will have a golden sheen 
>>> to
>>> it.  If it silver sheen not so good..... If you cut that filter apart 
>>> you
>>> will be suprised what you see in there and should be able to identify 
>>> the
>>> metal type yourself by the color.
>>>
>>> The fact you have dropped no oil pressure is a very good signal at 
>>> least.
>>> Did you check to make you do not maybe have a bent pushrod?  That sounds
>>> pretty plausible in this.    Is it a knock or a loud tap your hearing? 
>>> I
>>> would try to isolate that area if you can, and still stand on where I
>>> would begin to check and try, before I decided to yank it.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
>>> To: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>
>>>
>>>> Donny,
>>>>
>>>> Right, no drop at all in oil pressure. Couldn't tell where the
>>>> knock/clap
>>>> was coming from.
>>>> If I send the oil in for analysis, can they tell the difference between
>>>> the dis gear and bearings?
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>
>>>> Phone (858) 551-5455
>>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>>>> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dan I am betting it is your bronze gear your seeing in the oil, and 
>>>>> its
>>>>> nothing more then a rocker adjustment if your not knocking somewhere
>>>>> low!
>>>>>
>>>>> My plan would be pull the dizzy look at your gear for wear, change the
>>>>> oil filters, I might inspect the bottom of your lifters if they are
>>>>> roller then adjust up your rockers and give it a whirl.... You did not
>>>>> drop oil pressure right?   I am now betting your problem is nothing
>>>>> more
>>>>> then some top end maintenance.   And I am sure you hope the same.  You
>>>>> might just be ok here Mister............
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
>>>>> To: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>; "Mad Dog Antenucci"
>>>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Donny,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may just do that. There is a bronze gear and the rockers are very
>>>>>> loose, so it MAY be just the solid lifter cam in need of adjustment,
>>>>>> but I'd hate to guess wrong (again).
>>>>>> I just finished dropping a rebuilt SBC into my 67 Chevy trailer 
>>>>>> hauler
>>>>>> last night so the cherry picker is still assembled and in the
>>>>>> garage...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone (858) 551-5455
>>>>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Donny Williams" <donnylee at ccwebster.net>
>>>>>> To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "Dan Courtney"
>>>>>> <dfcex at pacbell.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:02 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thought is if you have metallic sheen thats all you need to know.
>>>>>>> Cut your filter and look for metal imbedded in the element.  If you
>>>>>>> got noise I am betting bearings.  Are you running a bronze dizzy
>>>>>>> gear?
>>>>>>> That could be a source of sheen, but so is copper bearing..... 
>>>>>>> Change
>>>>>>> the oil hope for the best, or pull it out which would be a direction
>>>>>>> you would have to take to inspect it properly anyway.  What does the
>>>>>>> noise sound like? Personally, I would save your money on the oil
>>>>>>> analysis, heck, you already know you got metal...He would just say
>>>>>>> yep
>>>>>>> there is metal in your oil........At that point its not that
>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>> what type, you will have to pull it out anyway to fix it.  And 
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be easy to find the source with the inspection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Dan Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:25 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Oil Analysis / Willow Springs Update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for race report.....sorry to hear about your engine.....you
>>>>>>>> drain the oil and pull filters yet?  Do a leak down test?  As Bob
>>>>>>>> Benson likes to say if you aren't breaking anything you aren't
>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>> hard enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  md
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan Courtney <dfcex at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>  I was wondering if anyone remembers the contact info for the
>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>> that performs an analysis of engine oil.
>>>>>>>> "The Beast" got a hard work-out at Willow Springs last week and was
>>>>>>>> making some noise by Sunday afternoon.
>>>>>>>> Nothing obvious when I pulled the valve covers but the oil has a
>>>>>>>> metallic sheen.
>>>>>>>> Speaking of Willow Springs, we had a decent showing of Panteras 
>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>> sadly, no Panteras ran in the exhibition race, for the first time I
>>>>>>>> can recall.
>>>>>>>> I arrived late and had no chance to warm up, Greg Esakoff snaped 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> input shaft of his ZF Friday, Chris Qualls (sp) had an axle snap
>>>>>>>> Saturday morning and went 4 wheeling and the other Panteras present
>>>>>>>> (Jim Saxtons Group IV, now owned by Jeff), Dr. Abe, and a beautiful
>>>>>>>> red former Woodhouse Pantera all ran different groups.
>>>>>>>> The red group was very fast with alot of blazing fast Porches,
>>>>>>>> Ferraris and Vipers leading the pack. "The Beast" was holding it's
>>>>>>>> own by Sunday afternoon but some of those cars were just too darn
>>>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>>>>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phone (858) 551-5455
>>>>>>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
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