[DeTomaso] Charlie on the hook again....

[Gray Gregory]

Roland,

The Mercury Capri was very different and wasn't made until later in the
70's. It used a standard US style ignition switch which was much larger
diameter and had a traditional US style ford key. Not sure about the
buzzer? Perhaps the German Ford part was modified to include it since
most of the cars were to be shipped to the US? The turn signal switch
was very different too. US cars in those days did not have the headlight
bright / dim on the turn signal and I don't know of any US car that has
ever had the horn there.

Don't let the logo fool you. Ford and GM always made the outside
manufactures put their (Ford / GM) logo on all the parts. I guess it was
to try and force you to go the dealer instead of straight to the
manufacturer for replacement parts? The problem you have at the German
Ford dealer is probably because the part is old and not in the system
any more so they just say it's US. The dealers here don't have a lot of
old parts in their computer systems either. 

Gray



-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Jaeckel [mailto:Jaeckel-Partner-GMBH at t-online.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:58 PM
To: Gray Gregory
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Charlie on the hook again....

Gray, strange for me is, that 
if i give the part no. of one 
of those to a german Ford 
dealer, they say it is a US 
part. Wasn't ther a Mercury 
Capri, that used that 
switches? Europeen ignition 
switches for example, dont'n 
carry the contact for the 
buzzer. Europeen cars didn't 
have buzzers. I know, that a 
similar turnsignal switch was 
also used on a Ford Capri over 
here. To use that switch in a 
Pantera we have to bend the 
arm in shape. It has also a 
different cable connector. 
Bosch and Lucas produced parts 
all have the manufacturer sign 
on them. These only carry the 
Ford logo. I don't know, who 
worked for Ford that time.
Roland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gray Gregory" 
<rgg at gregorycook.com>
To: "Roland Jaeckel" 
<Jaeckel-Partner-GMBH at t-online.de>; 
"Thomas Tornblom" 
<Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>; 
"Mark McWhinney" 
<msm at portata.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 
10:27 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] 
Charlie on the hook again....


The European Fords were very 
different from the USA Fords; 
although as
you say everything was 
ultimately under the control 
of or at least
approved by Detroit.

Ford like all the 
manufacturers uses outside 
suppliers for many of the
parts and I'm sure most of the 
electrical parts for Ford 
Europe were
sourced from European 
suppliers. On the Pantera the 
turn signal and
ignition switches are very 
different from those found on 
US cars;
however the alternator and 
voltage regulator are US parts 
and were most
likely shipped with the 
engines.

Any of you old Ford guys know 
who they used to supply 
electrical parts
for Ford Europe?

Gray

-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Jaeckel 
[mailto:Jaeckel-Partner-GMBH at t-online.de]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 
2:40 PM
To: Gray Gregory; Thomas 
Tornblom; Mark McWhinney
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 
Charlie on the hook again....

Isn't a Ford a Ford?
Everything Ford Europe does
or did was or is under control
of Ford USA.
Roland Jaeckel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gray Gregory"
<rgg at gregorycook.com>
To: "Thomas Tornblom"
<Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>;
"Mark McWhinney"
<msm at portata.com>
Cc: "Roland Jaeckel"
<Jaeckel-Partner-GMBH at t-online.de>;
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007
9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso]
Charlie on the hook again....


I thought the ignition and
turn signal switches were
European Ford?

Gray

-----Original Message-----
From:
detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007
1:55 PM
To: Mark McWhinney
Cc: 'Roland Jaeckel';
detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Charlie on the hook again....

Mark McWhinney skrev:
>>> LUCAS was never involved
>>> in the electrical system
>>> of a Pantera
>
> My windshield wiper fluid
> pump says LUCAS on it.

As does the wiper motor and
the cooling fans.

There are other British
electrical items, like the
Otter fan
thermo-switches, the front
flashers, and I would be very
surprised if
not the entire electrical
system around the steering
wheel is British.
The fusebox is probably
British as well.

Thomas
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