[DeTomaso] Any one live near or in Bristol CT that couldlookata project?- Rotors and Where They Are

Sat Apr 28 13:30:28 EDT 2007

Will:

This is the exact same way that the Wilwood hat for the Pantera is designed to work. The hat sits "behind" the axle flange (what holds the wheel studs and bolts up against the Campy's/wheels). So yes, to change rotors, you have to disassemble your axles. 

The other tricky thing to remember, or at least pay very, VERY close attention to, is the wheel studs, and how they fit thru the axle. The stock wheel studs are designed for the stock cast iron rotor/hat unit. When you use a different "hat", such as a Wilwood hat, those wheel studs aren't quite right.... but they're also the only show in town. What I learned (the hard way) is you must turn the wheel studs down on a lathe so they'll fit correctly. The actual change is only .050" in one particular small area on the wheel stud, so it's not a big deal, and only takes about 10 minutes to fix per axle. But if you don't do this "fix", your rotors will NEVER be tight against the axle flange and wheel. Never, Ever. Forever.

The reason is that the Wilwood hats are about half the thickness of the OEM cast iron "hats". The wheel stud is designed to "suck" the OEM "hat" tight against the back of the axle flange, so you change that "hat", then the wheel stud's are too long in that area. And it jams tight against the back of the axle flange. 

If anyone needs further information, pictures, etc., please get back to me, and I'll be glad to explain in detail. I had to learn this "the hard way", and I'd really like to "share" my experience... instead of hearing about someone else that learned "the hard way"... It was also expensive... not to mention time consuming, and a general pain in the fundament. 

Chris

Chris Difani
'73 L #5829 "LITNNG"
Sacramento, CA
Email: cdifani at pacbell.net 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
To: "'John Maffeo'" <johnmaffeo1 at yahoo.com>; "'mark skwarek'" <ehpantera at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any one live near or in Bristol CT that couldlookata project?

> The stock rear disk brakes mount on the inside of the stub axles.  The wheel
> lugs fit inside the rotor, then they go through the stub axle, and finally
> through the holes in the campy.
> 
> Most disk brakes mount between the wheel and the hub.
> 
> I don't think there's anything wrong with that except that you can't change
> the rotor without pressing the stub axle out of the upright first.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of John Maffeo
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:29 PM
> To: mark skwarek; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any one live near or in Bristol CT that could
> lookata project?
> 
> Mark,
>   
>  I don''t know much about brakes. What would the rotors mount to the
> outside of? By chance did you mean the calipers mounting to the outside of
> the rotors? As usual I am confused. Thanks for any and all clarification.
>   
>  John
> 
> mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  John
> I would only have been interested in the GT5 kit if it were steel flares. 
> 
> Regarding the Wilwoods, I bought mine from Quella and it was around $2500..
> As has been said before, it would be beast to have the rotors mounted
> outside. I don't think the seller knows if they are that type. 
> Mark
> 
> John Maffeo <johnmaffeo1 at yahoo.com> wrote:    Mark,
>   
>  I called him last Sunday about the brake system and it sounds like he
> offered you the same deal that he offered me. I am hoping to sell more parts
> off the car that I'm parting out to upgrade my brake system. Out of pure
> curiosity I asked him about the GT5 kit and that's when he said he was
> hoping to sell it as a package with the wheels. If the wilwood system hits
> ebay, it will probaly go for more than 2k.
>   
>  Not sure if the Hall wheels have the offsets for the GT5 package, but if
> they do, 2K is a good deal for the kit, and wheels.
>   
>  John
> 
> mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>    John
>  Yes but that was if I bought them with the car. It will probably be more
> seperately. 
>  Mark
> 
> John Maffeo <johnmaffeo1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>    The 2k for the GT5 kit includes a set of 15" Hall Mark V wheels/tires.
>   
>  John
> 
> mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Paul
> He was asking 2K for the brakes and 2K for the GT5 kit. 
> 
> One thing I need to figure out is where the lead is in the car. He has left
> it in place and I would like to replace it. 
> Mark
> 
> "Paul A. Rimov" wrote:
> Evening Mark:
> 
> Thank you for the follow up note. How much did your seller want for the 
> brakes? When I seamed up my car I actually elected to separate the seams 
> then respot weld them. I feel that it has made a significant difference in 
> the stiffness of the chassis and has prevented any stress cracks from 
> forming any where to date.
> 
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mark skwarek" 
> To: "Jim Wallace" 
> ; 
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any one live near or in Bristol CT that could lookat
> 
> a project?
> 
> 
>> Jim,
>> Do I need help? I first plan to seam weld everything. I also want to 
>> make a filler so that the windshield can be glued in and also make the 
>> window frame stronger. Is that enough for the moment?
>> Mark
>> 5481 & ????
>>
>> Jim Wallace 
> wrote:
>> Markus,
>>
>> You DA MAN!!! Let me know if your going to need help.
>>
>> Jim
>> --- mark skwarek wrote:
>>
>>> John and Paul,
>>> Thanks for the congrats. I did not buy the GT5 kit
>>> or brakes. The car was as described. Some minor
>>> issues regarding stress cracks but all the rust has
>>> been taken out wit new rockers. The seller did not
>>> know if the rotor hats mounted inside or out. I
>>> recommend out. It is basically a stock car.
>>>
>>> At least I don't have to scrape the undercoating.
>>>
>>> I have a '73 that I can use for reference in the
>>> assembly process. Its easier to put back together if
>>> you were the one who took it apart.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> John Maffeo wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> congrats, that was a great buy! Did you buy the
>>> brake system and GT5 kit as well?
>>>
>>> thanx,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> mark skwarek wrote:
>>> Paul
>>> Sorry to say, I have just bought the car mentioned.
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> "Paul A. Rimov" wrote:
>>> Evening All:
>>>
>>> Any one live near or in Bristol CT that could look
>>> at a project P-car. There is a project car on Ebay
>>> that has sparked my interest.
>>>
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DeTomaso-Pantera-1974_W0QQitemZ160109298482QQ
> ihZ006QQcategoryZ6737QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>> Looking for some one that could look at the car and
>>> asses the parts.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Paul
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