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Re: [DeTomaso] Finally had a car show sign made for 6328
by Tom Cabanski 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Great looking poster! tom Great looking poster! tom

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more on LED headlights
by Larry - Ohio Time 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Modern headlamps are much brighter and whiter than in the past, but sometimes brighter isn't necessarily better. Although blinding beams are useful on a deserted backroad, they can dazzle other drivers around town. In an attempt to solve the problem, Daimler has developed a new smart pixel system, able to more precisely mold its beam than existing adaptive headlights. Although current adaptive high-beam systems work reasonably well, their effectiveness is limited by packaging constraints. When sensors detect another car and driver that's about to be dazzled, they turn off (or dim) individual lighting units within the headlight array to create a gap in the beam. That means that, along with the LED units themselves, the headlamp needs to house extra electrical components to operate the adaptive beam. With so little space to work with at the front of cars, this limits the number of individual LEDs that can be packed in, which in turn limits the overall brightness of the car's headlights. Smart pixel headlamps work around this by packing 1,024 individual, controllable pixels into one "chip." Along with the little pixels, each chip includes all the hardware to control them, making them more space efficient than the current standard. Along with their space efficiency, and because the smart pixel LEDs have so many individually-adjustable light outputs, their beam can be controlled much more precisely. That means better molding of the dark spot around oncoming cars, and the ability to mimic mechanical "corner lighting" systems, which can illuminate the inside of a bend by turning the headlights with motors. At the moment this technology is in its infancy, but Daimler and partners are currently working to get it ready for future series production. Source: Daimler Larry (walks toward the light) - Cleveland Modern headlamps are much brighter and whiter than in the past, but sometimes brighter isn't necessarily better. Although blinding beams are useful on a deserted backroad, they can dazzle other drivers around town. In an attempt to solve the problem, Daimler has developed a new smart pixel system, able to more precisely mold its beam than existing adaptive headlights. Although current adaptive high-beam systems work reasonably well, their effectiveness is limited by packaging constraints. When sensors detect another car and driver that's about to be dazzled, they turn off (or dim) individual lighting units within the headlight array to create a gap in the beam. That means that, along with the LED units themselves, the headlamp needs to house extra electrical components to operate the adaptive beam. With so little space to work with at the front of cars, this limits the number of individual LEDs that can be packed in, which in turn limits the overall brightness of the car's headlights. Smart pixel headlamps work around this by packing 1,024 individual, controllable pixels into one "chip." Along with the little pixels, each chip includes all the hardware to control them, making them more space efficient than the current standard. Along with their space efficiency, and because the smart pixel LEDs have so many individually-adjustable light outputs, their beam can be controlled much more precisely. That means better molding of the dark spot around oncoming cars, and the ability to mimic mechanical "corner lighting" systems, which can illuminate the inside of a bend by turning the headlights with motors. At the moment this technology is in its infancy, but Daimler and partners are currently working to get it ready for future series production. Source: Daimler Larry (walks toward the light) - Cleveland

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Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues....
by Jack Donahue 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Por' - sha > On Oct 7, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Bill Lewis <lotus0005(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > So, what is the correct pronunciation of Porsche! > > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com <mailto:Larry@ohiotimecorp.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 6:00 PM > To: 'Jack Donahue'; 'Mike Drew' > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... > > <<We were in a German language class when it all went down - Good story.>> > > God story....welll???? > > > Larry (is only 61) - Cleveland (AKA "Baby") > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>] On Behalf > Of Jack Donahue > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:54 PM > To: Mike Drew > Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... > > OK - here’s a bit of a co-incidence - My father wanted to buy a Porsche > Super-90 in 1961 at Neillo Porsche - at that time they had one business > only - the Porsche dealership on Fulton Ave. in Sacto.. > BUT - Mr. Neillo wanted the car also - a powder blue couple with red > leather. So the battle began with my father arguing he had cash in his > pocket and the car was on the showroom floor - so it was “for sale”. Neillo > won - so my father bought a pearl white Super - removable hadrtop - red > leather. But he loved the Super-90 (red line-6500). I was in high school > with Rick and Roger Neillo and almost wound up in a fist fight. We were in a > German language class when it all went down - Good story. I see the family > has expanded their business - more headaches. > I am now the longest standing member of the Porsche Club of America( 61 > years) and the only remaining Charter member - it began in 1955. I should go > pull some rank on the Neillos for old times sake. > Anyway - I thought I recognized the name. > Jack > > On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew(a)aol.com <mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> wrote: > > > > Yes, the Niello family owns almost all the import car dealerships in > Sacramento. Niello Audi, Niello VW, Niello Land Rover, etc etc. > > > > https://www.niello.com/ <https://www.niello.com/> <https://www.niello.com/ <https://www.niello.com/>> > > > > Mike > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Jack Donahue <demongusta(a)gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com> > <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > >> Although not related (maybe), does the name “Neillo” represent a family > name? Just curious. > >> Jack > >>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Larry Stock <larrys(a)panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com> > <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey Mike, > >>> After we left you yesterday afternoon, The trip back over the Sierra¹s > >>> last night was horrific. Rain started just above Placerville as we > >>> hydroplaned many times the rain was so heavy. The snow started below > 6000 > >>> feet causing white out conditions several times. At the top of Echo > summit > >>> there was a Bad Head On collision that closed the highway in both > >>> directions for quite a while. Certainly no place for Pantera¹s yesterday > >>> evening. Apparently The Reno Tahoe Pantera¹s stayed in place for good > >>> reasons. > >>> Larry > >>> > >>> On 10/2/16, 9:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" > >>> <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> > <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of > >>> detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi guys, > >>>> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 > >>>> Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at > >>>> Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that > >>>> rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent > >>>> from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who > >>>> attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. > >>>> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and > >>>> uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to > >>>> Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At > >>>> first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, > >>>> and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing > >>>> at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We > >>>> replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and > >>>> failed about 50 miles from home. > >>>> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. > >>>> But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, > >>>> once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it > >>>> quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came > >>>> back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running > >>>> on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. > >>>> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but > >>>> rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As > >>>> electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to > >>>> it blindly. > >>>> What say all of you? > >>>> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which > >>>> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? > >>>> Mike > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>> > >>>> > >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use > >>>> the links above. > >>>> > >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. > >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > >>>> approve the archiving of list messages. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>> > >>> > >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > >>> > >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>> > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Por' - sha On Oct 7, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005(a)hotmail.com> wrote: So, what is the correct pronunciation of Porsche! __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry - Ohio Time <[3]Larry(a)OhioTimeCorp.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 6:00 PM To: 'Jack Donahue'; 'Mike Drew' Cc: [4]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... <<We were in a German language class when it all went down - Good story.>> God story....welll???? Larry (is only 61) - Cleveland (AKA "Baby") -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:54 PM To: Mike Drew Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... OK - here's a bit of a co-incidence - My father wanted to buy a Porsche Super-90 in 1961 at Neillo Porsche - at that time they had one business only - the Porsche dealership on Fulton Ave. in Sacto.. BUT - Mr. Neillo wanted the car also - a powder blue couple with red leather. So the battle began with my father arguing he had cash in his pocket and the car was on the showroom floor - so it was "for sale". Neillo won - so my father bought a pearl white Super - removable hadrtop - red leather. But he loved the Super-90 (red line-6500). I was in high school with Rick and Roger Neillo and almost wound up in a fist fight. We were in a German language class when it all went down - Good story. I see the family has expanded their business - more headaches. I am now the longest standing member of the Porsche Club of America( 61 years) and the only remaining Charter member - it began in 1955. I should go pull some rank on the Neillos for old times sake. Anyway - I thought I recognized the name. Jack > On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Mike Drew <[7]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Yes, the Niello family owns almost all the import car dealerships in Sacramento. Niello Audi, Niello VW, Niello Land Rover, etc etc. > > [8]https://www.niello.com/ <[9]https://www.niello.com/> > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Jack Donahue <[10]demongusta(a)gmail.com <[11]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Although not related (maybe), does the name "Neillo" represent a family name? Just curious. >> Jack >>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Larry Stock <[12]larrys(a)panteraparts.com <[13]mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Mike, >>> After we left you yesterday afternoon, The trip back over the Sierra^1s >>> last night was horrific. Rain started just above Placerville as we >>> hydroplaned many times the rain was so heavy. The snow started below 6000 >>> feet causing white out conditions several times. At the top of Echo summit >>> there was a Bad Head On collision that closed the highway in both >>> directions for quite a while. Certainly no place for Pantera^1s yesterday >>> evening. Apparently The Reno Tahoe Pantera^1s stayed in place for good >>> reasons. >>> Larry >>> >>> On 10/2/16, 9:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" >>> <[14]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com <[15]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of >>> [16]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <[17]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >>>> Panteras (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at >>>> Serrano. It heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that >>>> rain then turned to snow which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent >>>> from braving the summit. Still, a great time was had by all who >>>> attended, and we drove home in splendid sunshine. >>>> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >>>> uses a GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to >>>> Vegas this spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At >>>> first it started acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, >>>> and then finally it quit and just showed a partial discharge. Testing >>>> at the battery revealed it was doing nothing at that point. We >>>> replaced it with another one, which did exactly the same thing and >>>> failed about 50 miles from home. >>>> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >>>> But it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >>>> once again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it >>>> quit and showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came >>>> back to life and showed a very strong charge (since we had been running >>>> on battery power for awhile), then discharged again. >>>> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >>>> rather that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >>>> electrons are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to >>>> it blindly. >>>> What say all of you? >>>> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >>>> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >>>> Mike >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [18]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <[19]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>>> [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <[21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>>> the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>> approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [22]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com <[23]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>> [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <[25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Re: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart
by marshallgsmith 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Welcome PK! You have a wealth of knowledge at your fingertips on this forum. Enjoy! Marshall Smith Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: P K Spangler <amarathon(a)gmx.net> Date: 10/7/16 6:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Welcome PK! You have a wealth of knowledge at your fingertips on this forum. Enjoy! Marshall Smith Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: P K Spangler <amarathon(a)gmx.net> Date: 10/7/16 6:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] 2nd thoughts, was Re: Headlights - Stock replacement options?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Yes, what I meant was that LED efficiency is not likely to drop by a factor of several times. Price drop for high power LEDs is another thing. :-) Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:07:50 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] 2nd thoughts, was Re: Headlights - Stock replacement options? Wondering if I originally misunderstood this comment. Perhaps the meaning is LED vs. LED, power trends with light output regardless of quality. IOW a 115w LED puts out ~3x the light of a 40w LED. Still figure I'll wait till prices drop even more, maybe power draws drop to ~25w. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net Cc: bill(a)incendium.com; scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> | | | From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. >From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. | Yes, what I meant was that LED efficiency is not likely to drop by a factor of several times. Price drop for high power LEDs is another thing. :-) Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:07:50 PM To: guson(a)home.se Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] 2nd thoughts, was Re: Headlights - Stock replacement options? Wondering if I originally misunderstood this comment. Perhaps the meaning is LED vs. LED, power trends with light output regardless of quality. IOW a 115w LED puts out ~3x the light of a 40w LED. Still figure I'll wait till prices drop even more, maybe power draws drop to ~25w. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net Cc: bill(a)incendium.com; scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> | | | From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. |

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Finally had a car show sign made for 6328
by Mike Thomas 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Hope the attachment comes through. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328

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DeTomaso corollary
by Charles McCall 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Has anyone ridden a Benelli Sei, the 6-cylinder motorcycle introduced by Alejandro DeTomaso after taking over the company? Besides being, ahem, inspired by Honda’s 6-cylinder bike, was it supposed to be any good? There are a handful for sale in Europe for between €12,000 and €20,000, which is interesting. I was kind of hoping that they would just be considered “old” and not “collectible”, but they aren’t giving them away. One example may be found here: http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as Has anyone ridden a Benelli Sei, the 6-cylinder motorcycle introduced by Alejandro DeTomaso after taking over the company? Besides being, ahem, inspired by Honda's 6-cylinder bike, was it supposed to be any good? There are a handful for sale in Europe for between EUR12,000 and EUR20,000, which is interesting. I was kind of hoping that they would just be considered "old" and not "collectible", but they aren't giving them away. One example may be found here: [1]http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as References 1. http://ww3.autoscout24.es/classified/286071978?asrc=st|as

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Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues....
by Tomas Gunnarsson 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Törnblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. .

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Alternator
by rcbsons1＠aol.com 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson Mike, I just run a bigger pulley on the Alternator that way when you spin the motor up to 7500 rpm it does not fry itself:) I did have an issue with my firebird alternator but that is because it had an electric fuel pump, vac pump, elect water pump, two elect fans, msd so it was way overloaded...actually melted the inside See you at Thunderhill Bob Benson

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Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options?
by Tomas Gunnarsson 06 Oct '16

06 Oct '16

I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. >From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I wouldn't expect power draw to drop much for a given amount of light. Efficiency is what it is for a LED. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 30/9/2016 9:08:44 AM To: bill@incendium.com;scott@scottmeadphotography.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? For a different application I've been looking at LED headlamps on eBay etc. Want to run six at once without killing the generator. From what I've seen there are many drop in replacements for the standard 7" round sealed beam lights that used to be ubiquitous. For some reason Jeeps are always the target market, Vortex also only mentions the Jeep application by name: http://www.visionxusa.com/shop/7-vortex-led-headlight/ At the ~$50 price point, many different sellers on eBay appear to be selling the same offshore units, some have many LED's within the seven inch circle, others have 3-4 larger LED's. Halos/angel eyes, DRL's & amber built in turn signals are common variations. But often the power consumption on these is greater than the old sealed beams ... there appear to be heat sinks on the back and I wonder what the air circulation would be once installed in the typical bucket. This power consumption does not support my genius plan obviously. OTOH these visionx units at $419 ea. do appear to waste less power, consuming only 40 watts per the website. Expect I'll wait for the price, and power consumption, to fall. GD From: "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> To: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Will do Scott, later once its dark, we are having our Panteras Northwest Fall Cruise windup supper in Nelson BC. We have had a great trip from Seattle up here to a car show (700 cars). Great cats, great time, great friends. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott(a)scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-09-10 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: bill(a)incendium.com Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? Aloha Bill - any chance you have pictures you could share of the lights in action? I've installed Sylvania SilverStars all my vehicles, but I'm lucky if the bulbs last more than a year (I don't think they take too kindly to a lot of vibration). The Vortex LEDs sound like the optimum replacement. Mahalo, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2016, at 11:06 AM, "bill(a)incendium.com" <bill(a)incendium.com> wrote: > > We are having lunch in Spokane right now, I just sent Brent the info > about my LED lights. > > Www.visonxusa.com > > 7RD series > > Pt# 9891217 > > Item # XIL-7RD > > Cheers > Bill Moore > Calgary > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 2016-09-09 9:39 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com>, Bill Moore > <bill(a)incendium.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > Brent, > > Bill Moore replaced his with some LED drop in units and I have to say > they gave out an exceptional amount of light. > > I cannot recall the brand and he's on the PNW cruise this week and > I'm not sure if he is monitoring the list, so I copied him direct. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Brent Stewart via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 9:20 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Headlights - Stock replacement options? > > .Howdy all,.Just getting ready for the Ironstone Concours coming up in > a few weeks, and I'd like to update the old headlights so I can drive > at night. I have the stock round ones, and would like to get something > that is a little more modern and brighter..I put these Halogens in my > 240Z and they seem to work > great:.http://www.blackdragonauto.com/Features/Z/ZEL1.htm > .Any reason they wouldn't fit the P-car? What else have y'all > used?.Thanks for your advice!!!.brent.. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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