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Sept SSCC
by mark skwarek 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

My run at Silver State. You will note that my speed varies quite a bit do to overheating as can be seen on the temp gauge left of my chin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be Come and join us in 2017 for the 30th Anniversary of the running of the Silver State Classic Challenge. Mark5461 My run at Silver State. You will note that my speed varies quite a bit do to overheating as can be seen on the temp gauge left of my chin. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be Come and join us in 2017 for the 30th Anniversary of the running of the Silver State Classic Challenge. Mark 5461 References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHsbvs_JWE&feature=youtu.be

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Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues....
by Tomas Gunnarsson 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

The AC Delco 10si alternator has nine internal rectifier diodes, see attached pics. The main six diode rectifier bridge is top middle. The triple diode that powers the regulator is to the left of the ball bearing. This triple diode is also what turns off the alternator lamp. If you hook up a load between lamp terminal and ground this bridge will provide power to the load, something it's not designed to do. The result will be burnt out diodes in the diode trio and a loss of power to the regulator which in turn leads to loss of alternator output. Like you I think that the problem is the regulator but the question is why it keeps breaking. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:01:07 PM To: guson@home.se;tipo874@gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... I'm lost ... the rectifier diodes, typically six, each transit roughly 1/3 of the alternators output. Collectively they transmit all the output power. Any loads added anywhere tax the diodes. OTOH, certain cars I'm aware of run many loads through the lamp circuit, bulb test in the example I'm familiar with, and some/many/most alternator voltage regulators can't handle the current. These require a special voltage regulator. Unlikely the root cause of the problem at hand ... my money is on bad regulator unfortunately inside the GM alternator not conveniently remote mounted. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: tipo874(a)gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. The AC Delco 10si alternator has nine internal rectifier diodes, see attached pics. The main six diode rectifier bridge is top middle. The triple diode that powers the regulator is to the left of the ball bearing. This triple diode is also what turns off the alternator lamp. If you hook up a load between lamp terminal and ground this bridge will provide power to the load, something it's not designed to do. The result will be burnt out diodes in the diode trio and a loss of power to the regulator which in turn leads to loss of alternator output. Like you I think that the problem is the regulator but the question is why it keeps breaking. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Guido deTomaso [guido_detomaso(a)prodigy.net] Sent: 6/10/2016 6:01:07 PM To: guson@home.se;tipo874@gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... I'm lost ... the rectifier diodes, typically six, each transit roughly 1/3 of the alternators output. Collectively they transmit all the output power. Any loads added anywhere tax the diodes. OTOH, certain cars I'm aware of run many loads through the lamp circuit, bulb test in the example I'm familiar with, and some/many/most alternator voltage regulators can't handle the current. These require a special voltage regulator. Unlikely the root cause of the problem at hand ... my money is on bad regulator unfortunately inside the GM alternator not conveniently remote mounted. Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong. GD From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson(a)home.se> To: tipo874(a)gmail.com Cc: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... If the marginal connection is between battery and ammeter it will fluctuate between zero and charge. If it's between alternator and ammeter it will fluctuate between charge and discharge. Right Thomas? Another thought: Have you by accident hooked anything up to the lamp post on the alternator (or the wire going between post and dashboard lamp) that's using significant power? That pin will provide power when running but the rectifier diodes inside will not be up for the task and burn out in short time. Just a thought as you've been going through alternators at high pace. I'd like to disconnect the lamp wire from the alternator with the engine running and see what happens. Note that the sense wire will have to stay connected if you have one. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Thomas Toernblom [tipo874(a)gmail.com] Sent: 3/10/2016 9:49:41 PM To: MikeLDrew(a)aol.com Cc: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... Check the fat wire from B+ (or what it is called on the alt) to the ammeter. If there is a marginal connection there the voltage can fluctuate wildly and possibly kill semiconductors in the alt. > 3 okt. 2016 kl. 18:00 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > > All, > > Further to my original inquiry, I failed to mention that this is a GM alternator with built-in regulator, running in the stock three-wire configuration. Normally it works normally--shows a somewhat strong charge for a short time after engine start, coming back down to slight charge when battery is 'full' again, with slight discharge at idle when fans, lights etc are on. > > When it starts acting up, initially the needle bounces erratically over a small range between slight charge and slight discharge. After a few minutes of that, it goes into greater discharge mode as it quits completely. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:15, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Ditto. I put in 2 rebuilt units and they both failed. Finally bought >> a new one. >> No problem since. >> >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> >> Terry W. Himes >> >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead >> >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> >> Fax: (818) 393-3147 >> >> [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov >> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> >> Date: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:57 AM >> To: "[4]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com" <[5]MikeLDrew(a)aol.com>, >> "[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> >> Mike, >> I hate chasing these type of electrical problems, but here's some >> thoughts; >> i) Battery going bad (how old is it?), requiring the alternator to have >> to constantly charge >> ii) Some alternator re builders are notorious for units failing, over a >> 50% failure rate is not uncommon. I had a similar issue with my GT40; >> on the third alternator we switched to a higher amp 'new' unit and >> never had a problem since. >> iii) It could also be an intermittent short or bad ground >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:11 PM >> To: [10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator blues.... >> Hi guys, >> Just got home from a terrific weekend in the Sierra foothills; 24 >> Panteras >> (of the 36 scheduled) took part in the Niello concours at Serrano. It >> heaved down with rain for a very brief period, but that rain then >> turned to snow >> which kept the large Reno/Tahoe contingent from braving the summit. >> Still, a great time was had by all who attended, and we drove home in >> splendid >> sunshine. >> We were driving in Lori's Pantera, which has a flat firewall kit and >> uses a >> GM alternator with built-in regulator. She drove the car to Vegas >> this >> spring, and the alternator failed while we were there. At first it >> started >> acting erratic, with the amp needle bouncing around, and then finally >> it quit >> and just showed a partial discharge. Testing at the battery revealed >> it >> was doing nothing at that point. We replaced it with another one, >> which did >> exactly the same thing and failed about 50 miles from home. >> We replaced THAT one, and the third one has worked fine until today. >> But >> it probably only has about 250 miles on it or so. On the way home, >> once >> again, I noticed the ammeter needle behaving erratically, then it quit >> and >> showed partial discharge for many miles, then briefly came back to life >> and >> showed a very strong charge (since we had been running on battery power >> for >> awhile), then discharged again. >> Methinks the problem is not simply that alternators are failing, but >> rather >> that there is some sort of fault in the electrical system. As >> electrons >> are far from my strong suit, I hesitate to start diving it to it >> blindly. >> What say all of you? >> FWIW we've got a spare alternator we will be installing tomorrow, which >> almost assuredly will work just fine...for awhile anyway???? >> Mike >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov >> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 3. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com >> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 5. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com >> 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com >> 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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What a Sound! Four De Tomaso Pantera and Mangusta at Arosa Classic Car 2015
by Mike Drew 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Hi guys, Gr4 replicas and a racing Mangusta at a hill climb in Switzerland last fall.... Check out this video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ODGzSxYsCis Mike Sent from my iPad

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1974 De Tomaso Pantera Chevrolet Corvette Chase
by Mike Drew 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Guys, Just discovered the movie "Challenge" starring a '72 or '73 L-model Pantera. Here is a long chase with a '72 Corvette (from the Spanish overdub version). Spoiler alert: Pantera wins, naturally, although it takes a bit of a beating in the process! Check out this video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7F-Stm6q7ps Mike Sent from my iPad

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Joining the forum from Stuttgart
by P K Spangler 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Hello Gents: I am joining the forum from Stuttgart Germany. I have an old 1972 Pantera apart for many years and hopefully will get the metal work done and have it back on the road in the future. I am currently finishing a full restoration on a 1979 911SC. Best Regards - Phil Spangler

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Electric mirrors?
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

Guys, Lots of 80s Panteras were modified with the fitment of 'aero' mirrors that attach to the glass. These mirrors were sourced from the 80's Plymouth Champ Custom/Dodge Colt/Mitsubishi something-or-other. Some of these mirrors were electrically adjustable. A friend in France has a '71 Pantera he sourced from the US that has these mirrors installed, but the electrical function was never implemented. He would like to get the controls needed to actuate them. He has tried several different switches, but the design (one motor with a clutch) is very specific so it's difficult/impossible to get them working with most switches. Do any of you have any leads on switches that would work for him? Mike Guys, Lots of 80s Panteras were modified with the fitment of 'aero' mirrors that attach to the glass. These mirrors were sourced from the 80's Plymouth Champ Custom/Dodge Colt/Mitsubishi something-or-other. Some of these mirrors were electrically adjustable. A friend in France has a '71 Pantera he sourced from the US that has these mirrors installed, but the electrical function was never implemented. He would like to get the controls needed to actuate them. He has tried several different switches, but the design (one motor with a clutch) is very specific so it's difficult/impossible to get them working with most switches. Do any of you have any leads on switches that would work for him? Mike

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Re: [DeTomaso] Electric mirrors?
by SOBill＠aol.com 08 Oct '16

08 Oct '16

I would help if I could, but I can't. Get the shop manual (be sure it covers the electric system) for the source car. Then you can figure out how to do the mirrors. First try the main public library, libraries have factory manuals going back many years. Making car manufacturer's manuals available to public libraries is required by U.S. law, IIRC. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Eat dessert first, life is uncertain. Have fun today. SOBill I would help if I could, but I can't. Get the shop manual (be sure it covers the electric system) for the source car. Then you can figure out how to do the mirrors. First try the main public library, libraries have factory manuals going back many years. Making car manufacturer's manuals available to public libraries is required by U.S. law, IIRC. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. Do the best you can with what your have where you are. Eat dessert first, life is uncertain. Have fun today. SOBill

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Re: [DeTomaso] Finally had a car show sign made for 6328
by Mike Thomas 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

I was a Saturday Caffeine and Gasoline at Griot's Garage in Tacoma. The guy was going around the show offering to shoot folks cars an put the show boards together. One of our other Panteras Northwest members was there and recommended him. He came up to me, said he had time for one more shoot, and had always wanted to do a Pantera, but never had, so he cut me deal. I think this will be a 16"x24" metal sign, or whatever the typical size is, plus he did a photo shop of the car sitting on the grass with Mt. Rainier in the background as a wall hanging. This was a copy of the final proof, so I don't have the actual sign yet. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Pascarella [mailto:clk55amg@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 4:54 PM To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Finally had a car show sign made for 6328 Looks awesome Mike. Where did you have it done and what size is it. Thanks Ray Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > Hope the attachment comes through. > > Mike Thomas > Pres., Panteras Northwest > Yellow '74 #6328 > > > <IMG_0263.JPG> > <Untitled attachment 00921.txt> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Blood Pressure
by B Hower 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

The other day my Dr. was amazed at my check up results ... blood pressure checked right at the normal level. It wasn't until later at home that realized, it was due to a calm, peaceful forum. One that I can now truly enjoy!! Thanks to all of you, Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) The other day my Dr. was amazed at my check up results ... blood pressure checked right at the normal level. It wasn't until later at home that realized, it was due to a calm, peaceful forum. One that I can now truly enjoy!! Thanks to all of you, Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

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Re: [DeTomaso] Joining the forum from Stuttgart
by Tom Cabanski 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Best of luck and don't be afraid the ask any questions. tom Best of luck and don't be afraid the ask any questions. tom

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