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Info needed on 3887
by Dick Koch 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

I would appreciate any information on Pantera ...3887. I will be doing an inspection of the car and would like to have some background on the car before then. Thanks. Dick Koch - Atlanta I would appreciate any information on Pantera ...3887.A I will be doing an inspection of the car and would like to have some background on the car before then. Thanks. Dick Koch - Atlanta

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Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Ed Mendez 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

No they definitely are not 10's, that is the first thing I noticed. On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:58 AM To: San Diego Panteras; DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. No they definitely are not 10's, that is the first thing I noticed. On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Mendez Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:58 AM To: San Diego Panteras; [1]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS [2]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Follow up-Cat's Exotics 1973 Pantera L-week two-revised
by Matt 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

It's been pointed out to me that palm trees are not just native to Florida but Cali and I'm sure other warm climates but that still does not explain the mileage discrepancy. It could have been two blocks away but the speedo shows no additional movement whatsoever between the two pics. Matt 3584 It's been pointed out to me that palm trees are not just native to Florida but Cali and I'm sure other warm climates but that still does not explain the mileage discrepancy. It could have been two blocks away but the speedo shows no additional movement whatsoever between the two pics. Matt 3584

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Follow up-Cat's Exotics 1973 Pantera L-week two
by Matt 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Ok so it's been a week and I haven't heard back from John at Cat's Exotics. I checked back on their website and they since added some pics. They also bumped up the price a bit if I remember right. I believe it was $83 something before and now it's $84,888. I'm curious now. So I checked on the ProvaMo registry(thank you Chuck) and on 6/5/16 pics were added with no info. Now it get's interesting! A few things didn't add up. First off the pics on ProvaMo showed the EXACT same mileage as on Cat's website. Second the ProvaMo pics show the car being photographed in front of what looks like palm trees. Thirdly a typical dealer tag is visible in the ProvaMo pics. Now how did that same car get from a part of the country where palm trees are native to the great Northwest where there's not a palm tree in sight anywhere and not turn a single mile? Broken speedo/odometer cable? If so,how long has it not worked? The only thing that makes sense to me is it was shipped from a dealer somewhere in the Florida area up to Seattle with a broken cable. This leads me to believe that since Cat's deals in mostly Lambos,which are not a rarity in Florida, that he has a dealer connection in that area that ships him cars. There may be a logical explanation for the discrepancies but if it smells like poop... I could be way off base but it makes me question the actual mileage vs. what is represented. Maybe not a big deal to a some buyers but certainly worth noting. Matt 3584 http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-luxury-lyn… Ok so it's been a week and I haven't heard back from John at Cat's Exotics. I checked back on their website and they since added some pics. They also bumped up the price a bit if I remember right. I believe it was $83 something before and now it's $84,888. I'm curious now. So I checked on the ProvaMo registry(thank you Chuck) and on 6/5/16 pics were added with no info. Now it get's interesting! A few things didn't add up. First off the pics on ProvaMo showed the EXACT same mileage as on Cat's website. Second the ProvaMo pics show the car being photographed in front of what looks like palm trees. Thirdly a typical dealer tag is visible in the ProvaMo pics. Now how did that same car get from a part of the country where palm trees are native to the great Northwest where there's not a palm tree in sight anywhere and not turn a single mile? Broken speedo/odometer cable? If so,how long has it not worked? The only thing that makes sense to me is it was shipped from a dealer somewhere in the Florida area up to Seattle with a broken cable. This leads me to believe that since Cat's deals in mostly Lambos,which are not a rarity in Florida, that he has a dealer connection in that area that ships him cars. There may be a logical explanation for the discrepancies but if it smells like poop... I could be way off base but it makes me question the actual mileage vs. what is represented. Maybe not a big deal to a some buyers but certainly worth noting. Matt 3584 A A [1]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-l uxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375 References 1. http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-pantera-luxury-lyn…

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by marshallgsmith 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies of same to those who request them. Way too simple. M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Date: 8/14/16 7:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I¹m not debating numbers. I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don¹t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve(a)snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[12]forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[14]forest g(a)att.net<mailto:g@att.net>>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[18] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[20] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>> Cc: "[21]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist>. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>> To: [27]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[28]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[32]detoma so(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. A Jeff A 6559 References A 1. mailto:[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [34]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[35]DeTomaso@server. detomasolist.com> [36]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:steve@snclocks.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:forestg@att.net 4. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 5. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 8. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 11. mailto:forestg@att.net 12. mailto:forestg@att.net 13. mailto:forestg@att.net 14. mailto:forestg@att.net 15. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 16. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 17. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 18. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 19. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 20. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 21. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 22. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 23. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 24. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 26. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 27. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 28. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 29. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 30. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 31. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 32. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 33. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 34. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 35. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 36. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart ....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies of same to those who request them. Way too simple. M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Date: 8/14/16 7:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman(a)gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I^1m not debating numbers. I^1m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don^1t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve(a)snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes@jpl .nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[12]forestg@att.net >> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg(a)att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[14]forest g(a)att.net<mailto:g@att.net>>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[18] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[20] laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>> Cc: "[21]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist>. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasoli st.com><mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj detrich(a)gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>> To: [27]laurieferrari(a)aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[28]laur ieferrari(a)aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolis t.com><mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.com><mailto:[32]detoma so(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. A Jeff A 6559 References A 1. mailto:[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [34]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolis t.com><mailto:[35]DeTomaso@server. detomasolist.com> [36]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart

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Re: [DeTomaso] POCA website use
by Charles Engles 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Dear Joe, Perhaps it is habit. Perhaps it is personal preference. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:47 AM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA website use Just my curiosity... In the last weeks, most of the LIST EMAILS have been POCA discussions. Is there a reason the POCA WEBSITE is not being used to discussed POCA CLUB matters. - _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by B. SEIB 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

I couldn't agree more Terry. I would add that those who want the paper copies should be paying the real costs of printing and posting them, not those of us that don't want them! Barry >>>> Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sat Aug 13 16:51:05 EDT 2016 BUT.. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)

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Re: [DeTomaso] SORT 1 Mile Shoot out results
by ehpantera 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

I can post the details when I get home in a couple of days. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: 8/13/16 9:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Dave Londry' <davel(a)emspace.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SORT 1 Mile Shoot out results Given I am not familiar with everyone, how about a little about 5481. (ProvaMo has some photos) Tires, aero mods, engine, rpm limit, gearing? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 20:28 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SORT 1 Mile Shoot out results Man that is consistant. I can't run 3 - 1/4 miles within 1.2 mph Dave On 2016-08-13 4:02 PM, ehpantera via DeTomaso wrote: > First-run 169 miles per hour > > Second run 169 .2 miles per hour > > 3rd run 170.2 miles per hour > > Just shows what a Pantera can do. > > Mark > > 5481 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I can post the details when I get home in a couple of days. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf(a)embarqmail.com> Date: 8/13/16 9:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Dave Londry' <davel(a)emspace.com>, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SORT 1 Mile Shoot out results Given I am not familiar with everyone, how about a little about 5481. (ProvaMo has some photos) Tires, aero mods, engine, rpm limit, gearing? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 20:28 PM To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SORT 1 Mile Shoot out results Man that is consistant. I can't run 3 - 1/4 miles within 1.2 mph Dave On 2016-08-13 4:02 PM, ehpantera via DeTomaso wrote: > First-run 169 miles per hour > > Second run 169 .2 miles per hour > > 3rd run 170.2 miles per hour > > Just shows what a Pantera can do. > > Mark > > 5481 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by Charles Engles 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Dear Judy, Well, it would seem that the Devil is in the details of the allegation that "POCA's BOD is wasting $8,000/year by willfully being overcharged". Thanks for sharing. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Judith McCartney Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 7:59 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Mark Charlton; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:01:54 +0000 From: forestg(a)att.net To: pantera01826(a)rogers.com; detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Mark,A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why printing costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter. I do not find it so hard to print and staple a newsletter but apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to print and mail but at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a dues adjustment. Again I am OK with that.Forest From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826(a)rogers.com> To: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826(a)rogers.com On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> wrote: The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required. As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari(a)aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 References 1. mailto:pantera01826@rogers.com 2. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Fwd: Your Digital Pocket Guide to Monterey - Presented by Sports Car Market and Passport Transport
by Mike Drew 13 Aug '16

13 Aug '16

Guys, Good stuff here if you're going to Monterey.... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Sports Car Market & American Car Collector <newsletter(a)sportscarmarket.com> > Date: August 12, 2016 at 1:02:57 PM PDT > To: drew <mikeldrew(a)aol.com> > Subject: Your Digital Pocket Guide to Monterey - Presented by Sports Car Market and Passport Transport > Reply-To: Sports Car Market & American Car Collector <newsletter(a)sportscarmarket.com> > > > Your Digital Pocket Guide to Monterey Car Week 2016 > View this email in your browser > > > Before you leave for Monterey, be sure to download your digital Pocket Guide to Monterey, courtesy of Passport Transport. > > This compact guide includes a map, event timeline and auction details - perfect for your tablet or phone. > > We'll see you on the peninsula! > > This is a sponsored email sent because of your interest in car collecting. If you would like to unsubscribe from sponsored email but continue receiving SCM / ACC Newsletters please click here to change your subscription preferences. > > Copyright © 2016 Sports Car Market Magazine, All rights reserved. > Sports Car Market Magazine PO Box 4797 Portland, OR 97208-4797 > > unsubscribe from all SCM / ACC / CCPT email | update subscription preferences > > > > > > > This email was sent to mikeldrew(a)aol.com > why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences > Sports Car Market Magazine · PO Box 4797 · Portland, OR 97208-4797 · USA > Guys, Good stuff here if you're going to Monterey.... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Sports Car Market & American Car Collector <[1]newsletter(a)sportscarmarket.com> Date: August 12, 2016 at 1:02:57 PM PDT To: drew <[2]mikeldrew(a)aol.com> Subject: Your Digital Pocket Guide to Monterey - Presented by Sports Car Market and Passport Transport Reply-To: Sports Car Market & American Car Collector <[3]newsletter(a)sportscarmarket.com> Your Digital Pocket Guide to Monterey Car Week 2016 [4]View this email in your browser [5][three_banner_01.jpg] [6][three_banner_02.jpg] Before you leave for Monterey, be sure to [7]download your digital Pocket Guide to Monterey, courtesy of [8]Passport Transport. This compact guide includes a map, event timeline and auction details - perfect for your tablet or phone. We'll see you on the peninsula! This is a sponsored email sent because of your interest in car collecting. If you would like to unsubscribe from sponsored email but continue receiving SCM / ACC Newsletters please [9]click here to change your subscription preferences. Copyright (c) 2016 Sports Car Market Magazine, All rights reserved. Sports Car Market Magazine PO Box 4797 Portland, OR 97208-4797 [10]unsubscribe from all SCM / ACC / CCPT email | [11]update subscription preferences This email was sent to [12]mikeldrew(a)aol.com [13]why did I get this? [14]unsubscribe from this list [15]update subscription preferences Sports Car Market Magazine . PO Box 4797 . Portland, OR 97208-4797 . USA [open.php?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7ef81&id=a38d92e62b&e=632b31725 7] References Visible links 1. mailto:newsletter@sportscarmarket.com 2. mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com 3. mailto:newsletter@sportscarmarket.com 4. http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7ef81&id=a38d92e62b… 5. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630e… 6. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630… 7. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630… 8. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630… 9. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/profile?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7e… 10. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=850a11ed5ba432630e… 11. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/profile?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7e… 12. mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com 13. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage1.com/about?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7ef… 14. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=850a11ed5ba432630e… 15. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/profile?u=850a11ed5ba432630e8f7e… Hidden links: 17. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630e… 18. http://sportscarmarket.us4.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=850a11ed5ba432630…

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