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Fw: NPC (Goes along with "Sam" - American Pie - A Video Presentation
by Bill Lewis 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

This video goes along so well with the current thread labeled "Sam" so here goes!! Let 'er rip! ---BILL Lewis ________________________________ Subject: American Pie - A Video Presentation [image1.jpeg] Remembering the 50's? This is a nicely done video presentation of the Don McLean's classic song, 'American Pie' and the times thereof. McLean indicated his '72 song was definitely inspired by the plane crash deaths in 1959 of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. Richardson.....but otherwise he has been rather ambiguous (and maybe purposely) about other meanings....including what 'American Pie' means.....however the urban legend that 'American Pie' was the name of the Holly plane that crashed is simply untrue. But this presentation - McLean's music and words put together with pictures and film clips - provides one person's interpretation of American Pie. http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VhX3b1h7GQw/maxresdefault.jpg]<http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw> Meaning of American Pie by Don McLean (w/lyrics)<http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw> youtu.be American Pie (1971) is an allegorical song by Don McLean that starts on the death of Buddy Holly in an airplane crash in February, 3rd 1959, the day the musi... This video goes along so well with the current thread labeled "Sam" so here goes!! Let 'er rip! ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ Subject: American Pie - A Video Presentation image1.jpeg Remembering the 50's? This is a nicely done video presentation of the Don McLean's classic song, 'American Pie' and the times thereof. McLean indicated his '72 song was definitely inspired by the plane crash deaths in 1959 of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. Richardson.....but otherwise he has been rather ambiguous (and maybe purposely) about other meanings....including what 'American Pie' means.....however the urban legend that 'American Pie' was the name of the Holly plane that crashed is simply untrue. But this presentation - McLean's music and words put together with pictures and film clips - provides one person's interpretation of American Pie. [1]http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw [2][maxresdefault.jpg] [3]Meaning of American Pie by Don McLean (w/lyrics) youtu.be American Pie (1971) is an allegorical song by Don McLean that starts on the death of Buddy Holly in an airplane crash in February, 3rd 1959, the day the musi... References 1. http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw 2. http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw 3. http://youtu.be/VhX3b1h7GQw

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Hope for the future
by laurieferrari＠aol.com 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Terry, I LOVE your story. Your accomplishments are amazing and your grandson (it's no wonder) is a great and super smart guy too. Thank you for your positive perspective. Benefits us all to read this! Laurie You and your > On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > Ken (et al), > My dad said the same thing about me listening too much to Beatle music. > LOL ;-) > Then I started a band and played with people like Bob Seger (Seger > System), Amboy Dukes, and the Scott > Richard Case all over southern Michigan. Brought in some cash doing it > too. > The kids that I work with, and even hire (20 something millennial's) do > seem to spend too much time > with their phones constantly. But when I nailed them down about it, > they said they are keeping in-touch > with their friends. They all have formed a group of new-hires and keep > in-touch constantly. Seems weird to > me, but that is their social network. They plan all week for their > outdoors trips on the weekend. > They go to the Sequoia Nat'l forest, Kings Canyon, and Sierra Nevada > mountains almost EVERY weekend. They > go hiking, rock-climbing, camping, and in winter skiing. Last weekend > them climbed Mt Whitney. Outstanding. > My 17 year old grandson is addicted to video games. But he is a > straight "A" student, plays soccer and Lacrosse > all weekend, and will graduate high-school with almost an "Associates > Degree" from the local college courses he takes. > So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I > step back and think, maybe it's just different than > when I grew up. I think kids today are amazing. And smart. > Just my opinion. > Terry Terry, I LOVE your story. Your accomplishments are amazing and your grandson (it's no wonder) is a great and super smart guy too. Thank you for your positive perspective. Benefits us all to read this! Laurie You and your > On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > Ken (et al), > My dad said the same thing about me listening too much to Beatle music. > LOL ;-) > Then I started a band and played with people like Bob Seger (Seger > System), Amboy Dukes, and the Scott > Richard Case all over southern Michigan. Brought in some cash doing it > too. > The kids that I work with, and even hire (20 something millennial's) do > seem to spend too much time > with their phones constantly. But when I nailed them down about it, > they said they are keeping in-touch > with their friends. They all have formed a group of new-hires and keep > in-touch constantly. Seems weird to > me, but that is their social network. They plan all week for their > outdoors trips on the weekend. > They go to the Sequoia Nat'l forest, Kings Canyon, and Sierra Nevada > mountains almost EVERY weekend. They > go hiking, rock-climbing, camping, and in winter skiing. Last weekend > them climbed Mt Whitney. Outstanding. > My 17 year old grandson is addicted to video games. But he is a > straight "A" student, plays soccer and Lacrosse > all weekend, and will graduate high-school with almost an "Associates > Degree" from the local college courses he takes. > So, whenever, I think the world is going "to hell innna hand basket" I > step back and think, maybe it's just different than > when I grew up. I think kids today are amazing. And smart. > Just my opinion. > Terry

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the future
by laurieferrari＠aol.com 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Ken, You have somewhat of a point, but, not to worry. Now they have headphones and converse with friends while they play their games. How do I know? I had to buy one of those gaming headphones for my grandson for his last birthday and he has lots of social contact with friends while playing. Even sees them on the screen while playing. And they still have play dates and sleep overs and little league and girl and boy scouts, and lessons of various kinds; much depends on parents. I don't think you're right about not liking cars though. Everyone still loves cars, young to old. I see youngsters running around and excitedly taking pictures and discussing cars at Super Car Sundays, and shows, all the time. What we have to worry about is this. Do you recall Woody Allen's movie, "Sleeper?" Not only were people glued to their huge monitors to hear from "Big Brother," but they also had a walk-in machine (kind of like an old phone booth) for other "Activities" that replaced human contact. Don't think we're quite there yet. How did he know what was to be, so long ago? Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> To: laurieferrari <laurieferrari(a)aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 11:02 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam Laurie, The same young people spend the rest of the day glued to their smart phones unaware of the physical world around them. I suspect they also have no interest in cars unless the cars are in a video game. They have one foot in the Matrix and would not object to living in virtual realty if that could be arranged. I worry about the future of mankind. Ken Ken, You have somewhat of a point, but, not to worry. Now they have headphones and converse with friends while they play their games. How do I know? I had to buy one of those gaming headphones for my grandson for his last birthday and he has lots of social contact with friends while playing. Even sees them on the screen while playing. And they still have play dates and sleep overs and little league and girl and boy scouts, and lessons of various kinds; much depends on parents. I don't think you're right about not liking cars though. Everyone still loves cars, young to old. I see youngsters running around and excitedly taking pictures and discussing cars at Super Car Sundays, and shows, all the time. What we have to worry about is this. Do you recall Woody Allen's movie, "Sleeper?" Not only were people glued to their huge monitors to hear from "Big Brother," but they also had a walk-in machine (kind of like an old phone booth) for other "Activities" that replaced human contact. Don't think we're quite there yet. How did he know what was to be, so long ago? Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> To: laurieferrari <laurieferrari(a)aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 11:02 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sam Laurie, The same young people spend the rest of the day glued to their smart phones unaware of the physical world around them. I suspect they also have no interest in cars unless the cars are in a video game. They have one foot in the Matrix and would not object to living in virtual realty if that could be arranged. I worry about the future of mankind. Ken

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Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
by marshallgsmith 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

I have a couple questions Bob: > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a discount because of the savings. > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to allow for this discount? > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to? > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will radio silence be the norm here? Marshall Smith Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: P6746--- via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00) To: asajay(a)asajay.com, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I have a couple questions Bob: > Calling this situation "multiple dues levels" seems to be making the issue too complex. There are some members that are opting to not have printed magazines mailed which should make those members eligible for a discount because of the savings. > What is your estimate of the length of time that it would take the board to arrange for a vote of the membership to change the bylaws to allow for this discount? > Who specifically made that apples-to-apples comparison you refer to? > I agree that the editors should have the most influence on the process. However, our editors of both publications seem to have a hard time reporting to the members about ANY issues pertaining to the publication's themselves. Might that change in the near future or will radio silence be the norm here? Marshall Smith Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: P6746--- via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date: 8/14/16 3:10 PM (GMT-08:00) To: asajay(a)asajay.com, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Michael Cox 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

> From: Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! > > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: > Other Pantera GTS http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC These guys found that ad too. :^) http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-only-7… --michael cox > From: Ed Mendez <[1]edducati(a)mac.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! >A > Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now!A De Tomaso: > Other Pantera GTSA [2]http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC These guys found that ad too. A :^) [3]http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has -only-785-miles-to-its-name/109069/ A A --michael cox References 1. mailto:edducati@mac.com 2. http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC 3. http://news.boldride.com/2016/08/this-stunning-de-tomaso-pantera-has-only-7…

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Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
by Rod Kunishige 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Judy's old database provides for a Mail Class entry that is now used for foreign or bulk mailings (USA). I was given permission to crate a TPOC mail field that was used to encourage TPOC Chapter members to opt for an email version of our newsletter. It reduced our Chapter postage costs until we finally switched to an all email delivery many years later. I removed the field once it was no longer being used. Mail Class field is not in the clubexpress database because it was not considered essential along with all of the member interest data and all of the car specific data including color & license etc. Judy's unilateral decision to maintain her db current despite instructions to destroy it allows us to chose to use this field to indicate an email delivery selection. BTW, when we asked for those interested getting the POCA Newsletter via email only ONE person wanted it by email. Finally, let me remind you that at the LV Rally President's meeting, the Presidents representatives gathered voted to incur the added $10 charge but the then POCA President nullified that vote saying he only recognized 5 votes from the nearly thirty there. Simply, let's let the Board do its work to select the best for the club based on input from the Chapter Presidents etc. Then we may modify the database to solve the method of delivery chosen. Rod <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> Judy's old database provides for a Mail Class entry that is now used for foreign or bulk mailings (USA). I was given permission to crate a TPOC mail field that was used to encourage TPOC Chapter members to opt for an email version of our newsletter. It reduced our Chapter postage costs until we finally switched to an all email delivery many years later. I removed the field once it was no longer being used. Mail Class field is not in the clubexpress database because it was not considered essential along with all of the member interest data and all of the car specific data including color & license etc. Judy's unilateral decision to maintain her db current despite instructions to destroy it allows us to chose to use this field to indicate an email delivery selection. BTW, when we asked for those interested getting the POCA Newsletter via email only ONE person wanted it by email. Finally, let me remind you that at the LV Rally President's meeting, the Presidents representatives gathered voted to incur the added $10 charge but the then POCA President nullified that vote saying he only recognized 5 votes from the nearly thirty there. Simply, let's let the Board do its work to select the best for the club based on input from the Chapter Presidents etc. Then we may modify the database to solve the method of delivery chosen. Rod References Visible links Hidden links: 2. http://aka.ms/weboutlook

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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
by Scott Couchman 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Here's a couple of reference articles on print vs digital magazines. I'm sure there are studies that support digital, I just wasn't able to find any. For the TLDR crowd, they basically say people generally prefer printed magazines, old folks like me like printed magazines more than teenagers, digital is growing but slowly, some digital have had some success by now adding print editions too, and some digital success has resulted from adding video and other more interactive elements (something we won't likely have to offer). Google print vs digital magazines to look for yourself. http://www.freeportpress.com/print-vs-digital-how-we-really-consume-our-mag… https://www.themediabriefing.com/article/deloitte-tablets-newspapers-subscr… https://digitalpublishing2016.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/digital-magazines-ar…

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De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Ed Mendez 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! De Tomaso: Other Pantera GTS http://r.ebay.com/qvHdvC

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Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!!
by Charles Engles 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

Dear Jeff, Yes, you reminded me. The US version Pantera GTS had only cosmetics added to a Pantera L. The European GTS had, IIRC, the whole handling enchilada: ten inch rear campys, bigger sway bars, suspension tweaks, etc, etc. IIRC, at the time, the Euro spec Pantera GTS had a test of over 0.9g on the lateral skid pad, which was rarified territory at the time for a production car. The American version had only the clock, the paint job and the fender flares. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:50 PM To: Douglas Kelm Cc: DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com; San Diego Panteras Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso Pantera GTS on eBay! again $250K!! On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Douglas Kelm <dakelm(a)qwest.net> wrote: > Those sure don't look like 10" Campis on the rear of that car! Mike, > comment. Also, was there ever such a thing as a 9" Campi? > Doug > I don't think they had 10 inch Campis, just the regular 7s and 8s. Tacked on fender flares, a different paint scheme and graphics and a clock for the dash was all that you got. Jeff 6559

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Re: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic
by P6746＠aol.com 14 Aug '16

14 Aug '16

To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. To use a cliche, we're working on it. Most of what has been mentioned is in the pipeline. However, there are restrictions, particularly with the By-Laws as they currently stand. There are no provisions for multiple dues levels, particularly pertaining to how a member elects to have their club publications delivered, etc. That will take time as any changes or amendments must be approved by the whole membership. The consensus seems to be that the Profiles would continue as a print publication for all except foreign members who elect to receive it digitally. As far as printing is concerned, it is that first copy that is so expensive, it is the subsequent copies that bring down the per unit cost. So as fewer units are produced and shipped, the cost per unit increases but not proportionately. An apples to apples comparison was made between an online printer and the current printer for both printing and mailing and the difference was pennies. That wasn't pennies per unit but for the whole run. As far as I am concerned, it is the editors who should have the most influence as to how and where their product is produced. They are the ones who must work with the printers and mailing houses on a regular basis. Bob Reid In a message dated 8/13/2016 9:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asajay(a)asajay.com writes: The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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