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NPC Something is up at POCA
by Mark Pinson 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.

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website
by P6746＠aol.com 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

Be aware that as of this morning POCA.com is up and running. Be aware that as of this morning POCA.com is up and running.

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Fuel injection
by Michael Barnes 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

Hi all,I'm currently having my 351 c rebuilt with a few extras and am contemplating F.I. The concern I have is will any bodywork need to be cut? Thankyou for any replies in advance. Michael B Sent from my iPad

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Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster?
by Charles Engles 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

Dear Mr. Comedian: I am rolling on the proverbial floor laughing!!.. "the Cleveland makes a great rear window defroster"...or "how much horsepower does your rear window defroster have??"" I love it. Thanks for sharing. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of marshallgsmith Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:02 PM To: Forest Goodhart; James coyne; Rob Dumoulin Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? My 351 Cleveland acts as a great rear window defroster.... albeit a bit pricy! M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net> Date: 7/21/16 1:00 PM (GMT-08:00) To: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com>, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <[1]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1][2]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3][3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4][4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5][5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6][6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:[7]rob@dumoulins.net 2. [8]http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. [9]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:[10]tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:[12]rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster?
by Rob Dumoulin 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located?

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Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster?
by marshallgsmith 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

My 351 Cleveland acts as a great rear window defroster.... albeit a bit pricy! M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net> Date: 7/21/16 1:00 PM (GMT-08:00) To: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com>, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <[1]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1][2]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3][3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4][4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5][5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6][6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:[7]rob@dumoulins.net 2. [8]http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. [9]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:[10]tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:[12]rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. My 351 Cleveland acts as a great rear window defroster.... albeit a bit pricy! M Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Forest Goodhart <forestg(a)att.net> Date: 7/21/16 1:00 PM (GMT-08:00) To: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com>, Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It was a law for some if not all European countries that rear window defrosters be a standard installation on all cars. As with any lawmaking body, common sense was an alien concept. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> To: Rob Dumoulin <rob(a)dumoulins.net> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Since I live in southern California , I have never needed to use my rear window defroster . As you mentioned , I also speculate that the engine would heat up the rear window as fast as the embedded wires in the glass . __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <[1]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:52 AM To: James coyne Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? Thanks for the reply. Now, part 2 of the question. With the engine right there acting like a big heater, does the window ever fog up? Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1][2]rob(a)dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3][3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, James coyne <[4][4]tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Rob , My GT5-S has a rear window defroster . The power switch is one of the 4 rocker switches on the center gauge panel . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[5][5]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <[6][6]rob(a)dumoulins.net> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:57 AM To: Pantera Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] Did some Panteras come with a rear window defroster? I saw a rear view picture of a GTS and it appears to have lines across the window. If so, where was the power switch located? References 1. mailto:[7]rob@dumoulins.net 2. [8]http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. [9]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:[10]tecnosound@hotmail.com 5. mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:[12]rob@dumoulins.net _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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NPC Something is up at POCA
by Larry Finch 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

All, I offer the following regarding Michael Shortt's recent writings, specifically his Southern Pride comments. For reasons only MS can explain, in his text regarding the Southern Pride name concerns, I am personally mentioned multiple times. I have sent and received many dozens of emails regarding our club in the last several weeks. Probably six of them have been sent directly to the BOD, with CC copies being sent to an ever-growing list of concerned club members. In none of those emails, either received or written, have I seen any discussion regarding concerns over the chapter's chosen name. I have conveyed my concerns over multiple issues, but a Southern Pride complaint was never one of them. MS predictably continues to depict the turmoil within our club as being the club "progressives" versus old school dinosaurs. But what is actually occurring is more and more club members, and now more BOD members, are coming to realize that sometimes the ends do not justify the means, and that character does still count. The threatening, bullying, name-calling and expletive deleted rants from MS, now being sent to an increasing number of the club's members, is what is fueling our club's turmoil. More and more club members are realizing the problem facing our club is President Michael Shortt's regrettable and chronic inability to behave like an adult. The first step to fixing a problem is realizing that you have one. I'm ready for step two. :-) Larry POCA BOD members addresses: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga(a)gmail.com>, Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc(a)aol.com>, Bob Reid <RREIDCPA(a)aol.com>, Joe Stockett <qrtlow(a)gmail.com>, John Buckman <jb841(a)cox.net>, Judy McCartney <Jpoca2(a)hotmail.com>, Ed Mendez <edducati(a)mac.com>, Laurie Basile <laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > All, I offer the following regarding Michael Shortt's recent writings, specifically his Southern Pride comments. For reasons only MS can explain, in his text regarding the Southern Pride name concerns, I am personally mentioned multiple times. I have sent and received many dozens of emails regarding our club in the last several weeks. Probably six of them have been sent directly to the BOD, with CC copies being sent to an ever-growing list of concerned club members. In none of those emails, either received or written, have I seen any discussion regarding concerns over the chapter's chosen name. I have conveyed my concerns over multiple issues, but a Southern Pride complaint was never one of them. MS predictably continues to depict the turmoil within our club as being the club "progressives" versus old school dinosaurs. But what is actually occurring is more and more club members, and now more BOD members, are coming to realize that sometimes the ends do not justify the means, and that character does still count. The threatening, bullying, name-calling and expletive deleted rants from MS, now being sent to an increasing number of the club's members, is what is fueling our club's turmoil. More and more club members are realizing the problem facing our club is President Michael Shortt's regrettable and chronic inability to behave like an adult. The first step to fixing a problem is realizing that you have one. I'm ready for step two. :-) Larry POCA BOD members addresses: Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga(a)gmail.com>, Mike Burnett <[2]mbglobalsc(a)aol.com>, Bob Reid <[3]RREIDCPA(a)aol.com>, Joe Stockett <[4]qrtlow(a)gmail.com>, John Buckman <[5]jb841(a)cox.net>, Judy McCartney <[6]Jpoca2(a)hotmail.com>, Ed Mendez <[7]edducati(a)mac.com>, Laurie Basile <[8]laurieferrari(a)aol.com> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. References 1. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 2. mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com 3. mailto:RREIDCPA@aol.com 4. mailto:qrtlow@gmail.com 5. mailto:jb841@cox.net 6. mailto:Jpoca2@hotmail.com 7. mailto:edducati@mac.com 8. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com

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NPC Something is up at POCA
by Jeff Detrich 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? ------------------------------ From: SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com To: SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email list to do so, whomever gets this please share. A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away from Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. Thus, The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast Rally, I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay directly here. Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do so. Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast. Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern Pride Panteras, why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry Finch do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing? Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the name Southern Pride. I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted little minds, It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important ) Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride. We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian. Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is no name for a group pf them. for a group of Panteras. Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them. Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras, Same exact thing happened to me! So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not kidding, it happened all night long ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride Pantera members to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter across all of POCA.com Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours display with Tom Tjaarda is unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing him here for the HHI Concours. So to recap the days events East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join me) Southern Pride Chapter is kaput Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to share the cover art with you since I can not attach it ) Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles is kaput John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before the event after spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ). This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the people who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back to the non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride" I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years. I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill and Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your name) Gosh knows there are so many other reasons. You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett. I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to happen. I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next. Michael Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com To: [2]SCPOCA(a)yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news A A I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email list to do so, whomever gets this please share. A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away from Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. Thus, The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast Rally, I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay directly here. Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do so. Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast. Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern Pride Panteras, why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry Finch do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing? Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the name Southern Pride. I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted little minds, A It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important ) Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride. We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian. Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is no name for a group pf them. for a group of Panteras. Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them. Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras, Same exact thing happened to me!A So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not kidding, it happened all night long A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride Pantera members to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter across all of POCA.com Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours display with Tom Tjaarda isA unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing him here A for the HHI Concours. So to recap the days events East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join me) Southern Pride Chapter is kaput Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to share the cover art with you since I can not attach it ) Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles is kaput John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before the event after spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ). This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the people who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back to the non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride" I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years. I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill and Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your name) Gosh knows there are so many other reasons. You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett. I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to happen. I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next. Michael References 1. mailto:SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com 2. mailto:SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com

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Fw: Fuel injection
by James coyne 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:43 PM To: Michael Barnes; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection There is a company called FITech that is selling a system similar to Fast's , MSD's , Edelbrock's , etc for half the typical price . IE, $1000.00 instead of $2000.00 . They won product of the year at SEMA . A few local guys have installed them with great results . They must be shaking things up because I noticed that now Holley offers a system for about $1000.00 also . Marketplace competition can be a wonderful thing . - Jim Coyne ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:55 PM To: Michael Barnes; Detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection I think most of the EFI system manufactures let you download instructions from their websites. If you get the MSD and FAST instructions, you can see what is needed. Ken From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> To: Detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:48 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection Hi all,I'm currently having my 351 c rebuilt with a few extras and am contemplating F.I. The concern I have is will any bodywork need to be cut? Thankyou for any replies in advance. Michael B Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound(a)hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:43 PM To: Michael Barnes; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection There is a company called FITech that is selling a system similar to Fast's , MSD's , Edelbrock's , etc for half the typical price . IE, $1000.00 instead of $2000.00 . They won product of the year at SEMA . A few local guys have installed them with great results . They must be shaking things up because I noticed that now Holley offers a system for about $1000.00 also . Marketplace competition can be a wonderful thing . - Jim Coyne __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:55 PM To: Michael Barnes; Detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection I think most of the EFI system manufactures let you download instructions from their websites. If you get the MSD and FAST instructions, you can see what is needed. Ken From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10(a)hotmail.co.uk> To: Detomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:48 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection Hi all,I'm currently having my 351 c rebuilt with a few extras and am contemplating F.I. The concern I have is will any bodywork need to be cut? Thankyou for any replies in advance. Michael B Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso [2]DeTomaso Info Page server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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Anybody been to the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles?
by Larry Finch 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Yup, been there. Seen the Elvis car there. I visited only once shortly after it opened, expecting to see an amateurish car guy collection of stuff. I walked away very impressed with the entire operation. Well worth a visit by any car guy visiting LA. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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