<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Sorry, it was to read:<br></div><div><br clear="none">FWIW -- My Toyo Proxes ST HR BLK 295/50HR 15 tires <img alt="">I purchased on 9/24/09 have <img alt=""> date codes of 0108 and 0108. They were form the Mike Drew notice of H rated in SC.</div><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">I like the looks of the tread design real well. But they are getting pretty old to be running even on the street.</div><div class=""
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"michael@michaelshortt.com" <michael@michaelshortt.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "detomaso@poca.com" <detomaso@poca.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice<br> </font> </div> <div class=""><br><div id="yiv6571984823"><div><div class="" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><br clear="none">FWIW -- My <img alt="">I purchased on <img alt=""> date codes of 0108 and 0108. They were form the Mike Drew notice of H rated in SC.</div><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div class=""
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#yiv6571984823 </style><div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Any idea how old the rears were when you put them on the car?</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Mike Thomas</span></b></div><div class=""><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">VP, POCA</span></b></div><div class=""><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">VP, Panteras Northwest</span></b></div><div class=""><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Yellow ’74 #6328</span></b></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="" id="yiv6571984823yqt36832"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class=""><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;"> DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christopher Kimball<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 14, 2014 9:32 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Pantdino; mikeldrew@aol.com; michael@michaelshortt.com<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> detomaso@poca.com<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span></div></div></div><div class=""> </div><div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Yes, the Toyos I'm getting for the front are the same as the rear. The ones on the rear I got a few years ago, and they were the last pair they had.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my Windows Phone</span></div></div></div><div><div class="" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><hr align="center" size="3" width="100%"></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pantdino@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pantdino@aol.com">Pantdino</a></span><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Sent: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">2/14/2014 9:24 PM</span><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a></span><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:detomaso@poca.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a></span><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Subject: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span></div></div><div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Are the Toyos the same type as you have on the rear, or similar wear rating?</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">If so, they would make sense. Toyo makes a broad range of tires so the manufacturer means little in this case.</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">But Mike is right about rear tires-- even some years ago I went to 17" wheels because it was getting too hard to find 15" tires to fit the rear. (Yes, I know Pirelli runs off a batch every so often. But there are so many modern, great tires readily available in 17"
it didn't make sense to me to mess with it.)</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Jim</span></div></div><div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: Christopher Kimball <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>><br clear="none">To: Mike Drew <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>>; michael <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: Pantera list serve <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:detomaso@poca.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 2:14 pm<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span></div><div id="yiv6571984823x_AOLMsgPart_2_29e47694-90d1-4d72-ac1b-843025e3f939"><div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Bummer. I just assumed if they had 15" 225s they'd have 285 or 295, too. </span></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Since I bought the front tires, I've driven over 25,000 miles. The tire guy I went to for alignment said the inner tread was down to the replace mark, while the outer tread was still OK, barely. He said the wheels had a slight camber
outward, which he said was probably for better cornering. He said it wasn't significant, but if I were going to drive to San Diego, I should replace the tires before I left.</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Based on all the comments, especially the part about not mixing tire brands, I think I'm going with the Toyos.</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Thanks everyone!</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Sincerely,</span></div></div><div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Chris</span></div><div><div
class="" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span><hr id="yiv6571984823x_stopSpelling" align="center" size="3" width="100%"></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a><br clear="none">Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:06:48 -0500<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice<br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a><br clear="none">CC: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:detomaso@poca.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">In a message dated 2/14/14 7 18 3, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a> writes:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">When all four tires wear out next time, my sons will be out of college, so I'll just buy a whole set of the Pirelli P-zeros. They are rated to almost 200 mph.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">>>>No, you won't.
They don't make any tires in the appropriate size for the rear of your car. They haven't made them in anything approaching that size for more than 20 years. So don't tell people that you are going to 'just buy a set of Pirellis', because they will suggest that you do just that. I might suggest it too, if you could, but you can't.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Beware of listening to advice from people who don't know what kind of car you have, and are simply assuming that you have a GT5 or GT5-S. (He is running 225/50 front and 295/50 rear Toyos on 15x8 and 15x10 wheels, on a stock-body Pantera).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Your only practical choice is to buy new front tires to match your rears as closely as possible.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">FWIW my H/V rated (rear/front) BFG tires are 20 years old and have been subjected to a fair amount of racetrack use (but less road miles than yours). They still have
more than half their (tread) life left, although they are rather hard and slippery (they weren't much better when new!). Take care to align your car and you should get plenty of years out of your tires too.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">When your front and rear tires wear out, chances are you will be able to find a full set of S-rated BFG tires in the appropriate sizes, but that's about it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Mike (with a set of Toyos on the shelf, ready to go on, perhaps later this year?)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv6571984823x_AOLMsgPart_3_29e47694-90d1-4d72-ac1b-843025e3f939"><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span style="color:black;">_______________________________________________</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span style="color:black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span style="color:black;">Detomaso Forum
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