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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yeeeup. If that’s the case, you’re running on nearly 20 year old tires. I’d say that answers the “should I replace all four” question, knowing the way you drive (oops, did I say that?).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Christopher Kimball [mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Thomas; 'Pantdino'; Mike Drew; michael@michaelshortt.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Pantera list serve<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I put them on about 5 years ago, I think. They were new from a Les Schwab warehouse, but if I'm reading the date code correctly (which may or may not be the case...), they might have been manufactured back in '95. I guess I'd better obey all the speed limits until I replace them!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net">mbefthomas@comcast.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>; <a href="mailto:pantdino@aol.com">pantdino@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br>Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tire advice<br>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:31:12 -0800<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any idea how old the rears were when you put them on the car?</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Agency FB","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Mike Thomas</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Agency FB","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>VP, POCA</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Agency FB","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>VP, Panteras Northwest</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Agency FB","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yellow ’74 #6328</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> DeTomaso [<a href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christopher Kimball<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 14, 2014 9:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pantdino; <a href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Yes, the Toyos I'm getting for the front are the same as the rear. The ones on the rear I got a few years ago, and they were the last pair they had.<br><br>Sent from my Windows Phone</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:pantdino@aol.com">Pantdino</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ý2/ý14/ý2014 9:24 PM</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>; <a href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Are the Toyos the same type as you have on the rear, or similar wear rating?</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If so, they would make sense. Toyo makes a broad range of tires so the manufacturer means little in this case.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>But Mike is right about rear tires-- even some years ago I went to 17" wheels because it was getting too hard to find 15" tires to fit the rear. (Yes, I know Pirelli runs off a batch every so often. But there are so many modern, great tires readily available in 17" it didn't make sense to me to mess with it.)</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Christopher Kimball <<a href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>><br>To: Mike Drew <<a href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>>; michael <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>><br>Cc: Pantera list serve <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 2:14 pm<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ecxx_AOLMsgPart_2_29e47694-90d1-4d72-ac1b-843025e3f939"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Bummer. I just assumed if they had 15" 225s they'd have 285 or 295, too. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Since I bought the front tires, I've driven over 25,000 miles. The tire guy I went to for alignment said the inner tread was down to the replace mark, while the outer tread was still OK, barely. He said the wheels had a slight camber outward, which he said was probably for better cornering. He said it wasn't significant, but if I were going to drive to San Diego, I should replace the tires before I left.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Based on all the comments, especially the part about not mixing tire brands, I think I'm going with the Toyos.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks everyone!</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Sincerely,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Chris</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:06:48 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire advice<br>To: <a href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a>; <a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif";color:black'><br>In a message dated 2/14/14 7 18 3, <a href="mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com">chrisvkimball@msn.com</a> writes:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif";color:black'>When all four tires wear out next time, my sons will be out of college, so I'll just buy a whole set of the Pirelli P-zeros. They are rated to almost 200 mph.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif";color:black'><br><br>>>>No, you won't. They don't make any tires in the appropriate size for the rear of your car. They haven't made them in anything approaching that size for more than 20 years. So don't tell people that you are going to 'just buy a set of Pirellis', because they will suggest that you do just that. I might suggest it too, if you could, but you can't.<br><br>Beware of listening to advice from people who don't know what kind of car you have, and are simply assuming that you have a GT5 or GT5-S. (He is running 225/50 front and 295/50 rear Toyos on 15x8 and 15x10 wheels, on a stock-body Pantera).<br><br>Your only practical choice is to buy new front tires to match your rears as closely as possible.<br><br>FWIW my H/V rated (rear/front) BFG tires are 20 years old and have been subjected to a fair amount of racetrack use (but less road miles than yours). They still have more than half their (tread) life left, although they are rather hard and slippery (they weren't much better when new!). Take care to align your car and you should get plenty of years out of your tires too.<br><br>When your front and rear tires wear out, chances are you will be able to find a full set of S-rated BFG tires in the appropriate sizes, but that's about it.<br><br>Mike (with a set of Toyos on the shelf, ready to go on, perhaps later this year?)</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ecxx_AOLMsgPart_3_29e47694-90d1-4d72-ac1b-843025e3f939"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>DeTomaso mailing list</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a></span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a></span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>