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<div>Only in the last few years have Panteras appreciated, so us "long time owners" bought them because they are beautiful, exciting, and affordable. I like how it looks stock and made only the upgrades that improved function without obviously changing appearance. </div>
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From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com><br>
To: cengles <cengles@cox.net>; lashdeep <lashdeep@yahoo.com><br>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso@poca.com><br>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 4:15 pm<br>
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My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.<br>
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In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among
the fastest production cars on the street or on at the track. It
was a sports car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any
other production sports car regardless of cost. We could humiliate
more expensive Ferraris, Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could
one not give into temptation. I took pleasure believing that I had
a higher performance car for a fraction of the cost and the pride
knowing I contributed to making it possible. I believe that all who
actually used their cars, modified them to enjoy a fuller
capability. As I have gotten older with my racing experiences
behind me, I can see how older owners may not have been as
performance motivated and more financially so. It always seemed to
me the stock advocates were always motivated by a sense of value
appreciation rather than driving enjoyment. Nothing wrong with
that, til it becomes evangelical in their persuasion of others. <br>
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Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling
began to improve demonstrably. It takes a lot more effort and a
very good driver to make a Pantera competitive with modern sports
cars. IMHO, they simply do not handle as well as modern production
sportscars. Thus, many give up trying.<br>
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As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did
not leave them stock and appreciate them for what they were. My
response is that "You had to be there."<br>
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JT <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">cengles@cox.net</a>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times" size="4"> Your points
are well taken. I would point out that the passion and
enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and modifications
thereof, are related to the belated market appreciation of
stock original Panteras. We have modified and maintained them
and kept them driveable and usable. As Charlie McCall says,
"raising Pantera awareness."</font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times" size="4"> I own two
Panteras. Both were bone stock when I bought them in twenty
five years ago. Each modification was a definite incremental
improvement in the car's performance. I wouldn't go back.</font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times" size="4"> On the
other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos, finally
succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera. As he says, "
I have all the horsepower I want. I want a low mileage stock
Pantera." He bought a Pantera that was ever so slightly
misrepresented as a low mileage stock Pantera. He has
proceeded to spend the last several months correcting things
and restoring it back to stock original. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times" size="4"> So, for
whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second Coming of
Panteras". They are wonderful cars.</font></div>
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Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at
8:28 PM, LS wrote:</font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2"> <font size="3">We all
have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do
whatever we please obviously. </font></font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">There is a
quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our
beloved Detomaso cars...sales prices. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">Many of you equate the
fixation or study of sales prices with cold greed, sterile
investment, or outright snobbery. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">It is, in actuality,
the easiest way to determine what the world (including us)
thinks of Detomaso. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">A simple observation
here is that cosmetically stock cars are bringing strong
money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic
modification detracts in some way from the sales prices. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">Even a simple change
detracts from this ultimate fact and will potentially devalue
the cars. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">I have no problem with
modifications but we still need to realize that we all have
started with one of the most perfectly styled exotics
(including the original wheels) ever created. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">I have a suspicion
that some of you long time owners don't want to believe this.
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="3">LS </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><b>From: </b>Stephen
Nelson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve@snclocks.com"><steve@snclocks.com></a> </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><b>Sent: </b>Thursday,
January 30, 2014 1:47 PM </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><b>Subject: </b>Re:
[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">I would think the best
thing to do is acknowledge that we might not get any monetary
benefit to all those mods we put into the cars. And, in fact,
if we start with a highly original car, we will be far less
likely to get any monetary benefit. But, is that why we
modify the cars? To make money? If so, well, then we ain’t
all that bright. </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Flip side, given the
surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I have seen on
cars I looked at when finding 5332 – including 5332 – the
reality is that all too many modified cars are poorly done and
really don’t deserve any premium – in fact – they deserve
significant devaluation. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Do great work, and drive
these great cars! </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Stephen Nelson </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From: </b>DeTomaso
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Sent: </b>Thursday,
January 30, 2014 10:18 AM </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Subject: </b>[DeTomaso]
Autoweek online Mention </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">In a story
about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ. </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><b>DeTomaso Pantera </b><font size="1">At Mecum, <font color="#3333ff"><a href="http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-172060&entryRow=2893" target="_blank"><u>you'd have paid $49,500</u></a></font> to
take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable
Pantera. At Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car <font color="#3333ff"><a href="http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1650&aid=525" target="_blank"><u>would have set you back $48,400</u></a></font>.
The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is tuned,
to put it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a
nitrous-oxide system. Depending on your perspective, this is
either a huge improvement or an unacceptable desecration.
Compare that to the “highly original” Mecum car. </font></font></div>
<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="1"><b>Winner: </b> We'd
vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's personal
preference at play. This one's inconclusive. </font></div>
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<div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="1">Michael Shortt </font></div>
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