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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Kirby,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> A very interesting anecdote. Now, I understand why you have had that vulgar animation on your website involving the Ferrari logo---it is entirely appropriate!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 07, 2014 6:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Taphorn<br><b>Cc:</b> Charles Engles; LS; detomaso@poca.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Very well said, John. I agree.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I remember well the last time I was at Pocono and was right on the tail of a 360. I just couldn’t pass him.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'd be right on him going down the back straight coming up behind him and when I pulled out to pass…. nothing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I’d just sit there next to him.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not enough ponies… so, I just stuck with him the rest of the session.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Once in the pits, three ‘Ferrari guys’ came up to me and said I shouldn’t be on the track. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Didn’t deserve to be on the track. I was dangerous.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I asked them why and the reply was that my car was too old and it didn’t have ground effects or good handling.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hmmm… I didn’t have any problem with handling… I just didn’t have the HP.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Oh, well….<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kirby<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:14, John Taphorn <<a href="mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com">jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My perspective on modified Panteras is as such.<br><br>In the 80s and 90s, one could mildly modify a Pantera and be among the fastest production cars on the street or on at the track. It was a sports car whose performance could rival or exceed almost any other production sports car regardless of cost. We could humiliate more expensive Ferraris, Lambos and Vettes at the track. How could one not give into temptation. I took pleasure believing that I had a higher performance car for a fraction of the cost and the pride knowing I contributed to making it possible. I believe that all who actually used their cars, modified them to enjoy a fuller capability. As I have gotten older with my racing experiences behind me, I can see how older owners may not have been as performance motivated and more financially so. It always seemed to me the stock advocates were always motivated by a sense of value appreciation rather than driving enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that, til it becomes evangelical in their persuasion of others. <br><br>Sometime in the 2000s, new production car horsepower and handling began to improve demonstrably. It takes a lot more effort and a very good driver to make a Pantera competitive with modern sports cars. IMHO, they simply do not handle as well as modern production sportscars. Thus, many give up trying.<br><br>As a result, new comers to the Pantera arena wonder why people did not leave them stock and appreciate them for what they were. My response is that "You had to be there."<br><br>JT <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/7/2014 8:11 AM, <a href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">cengles@cox.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Dear Lashdeep,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'> Your points are well taken. I would point out that the passion and enthusiasm of the this group for Panteras and modifications thereof, are related to the belated market appreciation of stock original Panteras. We have modified and maintained them and kept them driveable and usable. As Charlie McCall says, "raising Pantera awareness."</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'> I own two Panteras. Both were bone stock when I bought them in twenty five years ago. Each modification was a definite incremental improvement in the car's performance. I wouldn't go back.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'> On the other hand, a good friend, who owns two Diablos, finally succumbed to my influence and bought a Pantera. As he says, " I have all the horsepower I want. I want a low mileage stock Pantera." He bought a Pantera that was ever so slightly misrepresented as a low mileage stock Pantera. He has proceeded to spend the last several months correcting things and restoring it back to stock original. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'> So, for whatever reason, it does seem to be the "Second Coming of Panteras". They are wonderful cars.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:28 PM, LS wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>We all have our ways of enjoying our cars and are entitled to do whatever we please obviously. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>There is a quantitative way to measure the world's perception of our beloved Detomaso cars...sales prices. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Many of you equate the fixation or study of sales prices with cold greed, sterile investment, or outright snobbery. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>It is, in actuality, the easiest way to determine what the world (including us) thinks of Detomaso. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>A simple observation here is that cosmetically stock cars are bringing strong money. It appears that even the slightest cosmetic modification detracts in some way from the sales prices. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Even a simple change detracts from this ultimate fact and will potentially devalue the cars. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I have no problem with modifications but we still need to realize that we all have started with one of the most perfectly styled exotics (including the original wheels) ever created. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I have a suspicion that some of you long time owners don't want to believe this. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>LS </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>central </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>wines-spirits est 1934 </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>625 e street nw </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>washington, dc 20004 </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3333FF'><a href="http://centralwines.com/" target="_blank"><b><i>centralwines.com</i></b></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3333FF'><a href="http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors" target="_blank"><b><i>facebook.com/CentralLiquors</i></b></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>202-737-2800 </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>___________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stephen Nelson <a href="mailto:steve@snclocks.com"><steve@snclocks.com></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:47 PM </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would think the best thing to do is acknowledge that we might not get any monetary benefit to all those mods we put into the cars. And, in fact, if we start with a highly original car, we will be far less likely to get any monetary benefit. But, is that why we modify the cars? To make money? If so, well, then we ain’t all that bright. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Flip side, given the surprisingly poor quality of many of the mods I have seen on cars I looked at when finding 5332 – including 5332 – the reality is that all too many modified cars are poorly done and really don’t deserve any premium – in fact – they deserve significant devaluation. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Do great work, and drive these great cars! </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stephen Nelson </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>___________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>DeTomaso [<a href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:18 AM </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>[DeTomaso] Autoweek online Mention </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In a story about aJan auctions, Mecum vs BJ. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>DeTomaso Pantera </span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At Mecum, <span style='color:#3333FF'><a href="http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0114-172060&entryRow=2893" target="_blank">you'd have paid $49,500</a></span> to take home a 1974 example of the increasingly desirable Pantera. At Barrett-Jackson, a 1971 car <span style='color:#3333FF'><a href="http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1650&aid=525" target="_blank">would have set you back $48,400</a></span>. The difference is originality -- the early B-J car is tuned, to put it mildly, with flashy five-spokes and a nitrous-oxide system. Depending on your perspective, this is either a huge improvement or an unacceptable desecration. Compare that to the “highly original” Mecum car. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Winner: </span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> We'd vote for the unmolested car at Mecum, but that's personal preference at play. This one's inconclusive. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Michael Shortt </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times
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