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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Judy writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>no vendor is 100% trustworthy; they're looking to make a profit.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WOW! Really. You must live in a strange state of mind. I am a “Vendor” for the past 39 years. I would be happy to never do business with you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Business 101, You must make a profit to stay in business. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Everyone you deal with must be a charity organization. If you work/worked I am sure you were paid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Guess your accountant and attorney are both not trustworthy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Indy(trustworthy)Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> fastgrandma [mailto:fastgrandma@aol.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> bflesland@gmail.com; detomaso@poca.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From hearing stories - not that I pay total attention to this factor of our car - but one does stick out in my mind. The owner decided he wanted various things done to his car which he was told could be done. He had car delivered to vendor - no, I'm not mentioning names of either party here - and said do it. From what we were told by him not all prices were discussed altho here I'm not completely sure. Therefore when said vendor called and said car is ready to be picked up and named an astronomical sum, our friend about had a stroke. He then sat down with the vendor and went over the bill item by item. Some things shouldn't have been charged but were and they did work it out but end result was he spent a lot more $$ than he'd planned to and one needs to know these costs beforehand.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Also, with having been in the club nearly 34 years, I think it can pretty much be said no vendor is 100% trustworthy; they're looking to make a profit.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Judy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: bflesland <<a href="mailto:bflesland@gmail.com">bflesland@gmail.com</a>><br>To: detomaso <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 8:48 pm<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera<o:p></o:p></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_3_82836ed2-d6a4-4b47-872d-e13450706003"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So what's the best suggested approach of having major work done at a car resto/body shop?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am myself starting having a car restored/built and painted by a reputable shop as well and want to avoid any future problems.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand paying upfront is a no-no. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't have a contract but everything to be done is in writing by email.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am getting billed along the way as work progress.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is a contract mandatory in case of future problems?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope I am not hijacking the thread here but this has happened before and will again for somebody in the future, for sure! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think bad communications and/or unrealistic expectations may be the cause sometimes, together with poorly performed work, not done in a timely manner. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Once I had to retrieve a car from a shop due to the shop owner had personal problems, long sad story...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The thing today with internet and everything, is that from someone you hear a shop is very good and reputable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But if you search them yourself on the web you find bad stories posted as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So not easy to pick the right shop. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for the long rant!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers Bjoern<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Den 5. feb. 2014 kl. 20:38 skrev <a href="mailto:audionut@hushmail.com">audionut@hushmail.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sad to hear stuff like this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Don's shop did my A/C upgrade on time at a fair price around the year 2008. Hard to believe a respected, time-tested shop like this screwed up but....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The shop is nearly <b>always</b> responsible for horror stories like this. It is the responsibility of the shop to quote the job right, clearly,<b> in writing</b>, and complete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the job within a reasonable time, barring circumstances beyond the shops' control. Misunderstandings should be easily cleared up by the contract, if they are not,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>then the shop f'd up. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If the job gets out of hand in some way and the customer gets upset, then it is nothing but a petty, juvenile, bully attitude if the shop then says "Hey if you don't like it, I got your car, I got your money so, nyah nyah nyah. What are you gonna do about it?" <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I can't see how Ed did anything wrong other than pay in full up front. Always a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br>Sent using Hushmail<br><br><br>On February 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, "Pantdino" <<a href="mailto:pantdino@aol.com">pantdino@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ed,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Just to give us some background, what was Don supposed to do for the original estimate of $36K? That's a significant amount of money.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ed Mendez <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>><br>To: detomaso <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:03 am<br>Subject: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_3_a50bb867-410a-47d0-9217-e6cadea4b31d"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To All Pantera Owners Worldwide, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You should all ready this, so this does not happen to you. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>As of now Don Byars refuses to help me or repair any of the damage he did to my Pantera after paying him $42,000 over the last two years! It is shameful behaviour!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike Drew was going to feature my car in Profiles. Sorry but I would rather you did not. Don deserves no advertising.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Read below how Don held my car as ransom, extorted $6000 more dollars out of me, and made me sign a waiver releasing him of all warranty for work he completed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Now I am in another country, I have dumped my car on a friend to finish, and I am out of a lot of cash.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I guess he did not realise that I have 300+ Pantera friends worldwide on Facebook. I guess he will soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Patterson, Lee R." <<a href="mailto:LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com">LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>4 February 2014 17:41:57 NZDT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kevin Ryniker <<a href="mailto:durland@san.rr.com">durland@san.rr.com</a>>, 'Westmicro' <<a href="mailto:westmicro@aol.com">westmicro@aol.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Patterson, Lee R." <<a href="mailto:LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com">LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can only relate the time I called him to purchase a very small, inexpensive part for my car. His response was “that’s all you want to buy?” to which I said yes. He then sighed and reluctantly took my order. Upon receipt, the part was a poorly reproduced version of the original part, the art work was off-center and after attempting to “fix” it myself, I threw it in the trash. So my only experience with him was he was uninterested in my business and the product he sold and represented me was shit. So no, I will not call him ever again because to me, that behavior speaks to total lack of INTEGRITY AND ETHICS. I hope the $12,000 you bought from him were better than my $25. part.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Ryniker<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 03, 2014 8:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Westmicro'; <a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>; <a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I Have to agree with Mike to the extent that there must be something else going on. This sounds like a cash flow crunch, he is acting like a producer on a show that got in over his head.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I known Bobby Buyers for 10 years at least, never had a problem, I’ve easily bought $12,000 worth of parts from him. He has always stood behind his work and his dealings with me. He even warranty parts that I got from Wilkenson and Hall, for free, expensive stuff. Never really delt with Don but I think he is Don’s brother, they used to be in business with each other, might be worthwhile to call Bobby. Just an idea.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any help I can aid in please feel free to ask.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Times;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5D7484'>Durland Productions</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>Kevin Ryniker, Cell (858) 336 9803</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>Phone (858) 693 6207, Fax (858) 693 6227</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>8766 Betelgeuse Way, San Diego, CA 92126</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'><a href="http://www.durlandproductions.com">www.durlandproductions.com</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Westmicro<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 03, 2014 7:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>; <a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Please pass all this on to Don.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe this will make him realize what he has done here, and he will make it right.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Reputation and doing the right thing is Everything in Business.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Dave Nuding</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Western Micrographics & Imaging Systems</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Houston / San Diego</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>858-722-5500</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'><a href="http://www.westernmicrographics.com"><span style='font-weight:normal'>http://www.westernmicrographics.com</span></a></span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael Becker <<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>><br>To: 'Ed Mendez' <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>>; 'San Diego Panteras' <<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:35 pm<br>Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_0_59271711-d18b-48f1-8028-88d276ae07e4"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Holy crap, that's terrible Ed. So sorry to hear this. I don't understand,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>I've never heard a bad thing about Don. I've also never had any work done</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>by him, but the general perception is that his work speaks for itself. I</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>can't imagine what his reasoning is. I don't have any kind of relationship</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>with him, so I don't really feel I could speak to him. Maybe something just</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>got into him and he needs time to realize the pickle he's put you in. Maybe</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>he's got some other troubles and sort of reached a breaking point or</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>something like that. Perhaps he'll come around and somehow make good on it.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>I would hold off on slinging mud until all options for reconciliation are</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>exhausted. </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Hang in there, </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Mike</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>-----Original Message-----</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] On</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Behalf Of Ed Mendez</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 4:39 PM</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>To: San Diego Panteras</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Subject: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Hi all,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Made it to New Zealand and started work. Still a bit jet lagged but that is</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>nothing compared to how I feel from what Don Byars did to me before I left.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>After paying Don $36,000 in cash and up front and paying my final invoiced</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>bill on Jan. 22nd. There were some electrical issues from the Pantera</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Electronics parts I bought. There were two blown up boards, Pantera not</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>charging, and several other issues. This was NOT from Pantera Electronics</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>however, it was from Don not following the simple directions and hooking</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>things up wrong. So he spent the next four days trying to sort out the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>issues. On the 28th he called me and said come and get this car out of my</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>shop! I asked if it was done, he said no, and it is not running either. He</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>verbally told me on the 22nd that it would be about $2000 more and he would</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>have it all finished including the seats bolted in on the seat rails, the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>seat belts, and all be working. What he told me on the phone shocked me. He</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>said that I now owed him an additional $6300 and that knowing I was leaving,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>he wanted cash, and would not release the car until I paid him in full! </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>I have always paid him up front, and in advance. Since I was leaving the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>country, he gave me no choice, I had to come up with cash. He delivered the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>car to me, backed it out of his trailer still hooked to the cable, I then</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>paid him in full and he refused to unhook the car until I signed a waiver</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>releasing him of any work related defects!!!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>He treated me like a criminal and EXTORTED $6000 from me!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Now the car is sitting in Vista, Ca. The seats were not bolted in, the belts</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>were not done, seat rails, scratches in my paint under the hood, he left my</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>brand new air compressor disconnected and exposed to air. The car runs but</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>electrically a mess, far from being done, and far from being in a state of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>condition for the money I paid him.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Don Byars is a thief to the Nth degree! And he did all this in front of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>whom? The new President of POCA!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Just wondering if he is completely stupid!? I just wonder what I did, I was</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>utterly insulted. What did I do to deserve this? His wife told me Don was</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>mad because I did not let him finish the car!!!??? I paid him a total of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white;z-index:auto'><tt><span style='color:black'>$42,000. He knew the drop dead date months before I was leaving. Even John Haas of Pantera Electronics offered to help, Don did not call him once!!! I asked John Haas to call him.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_0_59271711-d18b-48f1-8028-88d276ae07e4"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>At this point my car is in the care of John Buckman, if anyone can please</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>offer any assistance, I have to get it in a somewhat completed state to ship</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>overseas. </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Please spread the word. If I were there I could do something, all I have is</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>you guys to spread the word about what he did to me.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_0_59271711-d18b-48f1-8028-88d276ae07e4"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Ed Mendez</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Sent from my iPad</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_5_a50bb867-410a-47d0-9217-e6cadea4b31d"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list <a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a> <a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a> </span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br><br>DeTomaso mailing list<br><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><br><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_5_82836ed2-d6a4-4b47-872d-e13450706003"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA DeTomaso mailing list <a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a> <a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a> </span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></body></html>