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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Put thumb prints next to the signature. I sell the fingerprint pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IndyDave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> michael@michaelshortt.com [mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bjoern Flesland<br><b>Cc:</b> detomaso@poca.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>You will find emails are generally worthless in court if it comes to that.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I would have a written contact with each and every<br>Itemized task and quoted cost beside it.<br>I would have completion dates for each project as well.<br>It's only legal if you both sign it, a notary seal makes it all the better.<br>You should also have warranty terms and a stated policy of organization of receipts. <br>Any items requiring additional hours or change orders should require a signed addendum sheet.<o:p></o:p></p><p>No honest shop should object, it protects them as much as it does you.<br>Of course a written list and complete photographic inventory and condition of the "before" car should help settle any issues with dents, scratches, missing parts, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Michael Shortt<o:p></o:p></p><p>Good fences make good neighbors, a solid restoration agreement will keep your shop and you on good terms before, during and after your car has been serviced.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 5, 2014 11:48 PM, "<a href="mailto:bflesland@gmail.com">bflesland@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:bflesland@gmail.com">bflesland@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So what's the best suggested approach of having major work done at a car resto/body shop?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am myself starting having a car restored/built and painted by a reputable shop as well and want to avoid any future problems.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand paying upfront is a no-no. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't have a contract but everything to be done is in writing by email.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am getting billed along the way as work progress.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is a contract mandatory in case of future problems?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope I am not hijacking the thread here but this has happened before and will again for somebody in the future, for sure! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think bad communications and/or unrealistic expectations may be the cause sometimes, together with poorly performed work, not done in a timely manner. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Once I had to retrieve a car from a shop due to the shop owner had personal problems, long sad story...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The thing today with internet and everything, is that from someone you hear a shop is very good and reputable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But if you search them yourself on the web you find bad stories posted as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So not easy to pick the right shop. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for the long rant!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers Bjoern<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Den 5. feb. 2014 kl. 20:38 skrev <a href="mailto:audionut@hushmail.com" target="_blank">audionut@hushmail.com</a>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sad to hear stuff like this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Don's shop did my A/C upgrade on time at a fair price around the year 2008. Hard to believe a respected, time-tested shop like this screwed up but....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The shop is nearly <b>always</b> responsible for horror stories like this. It is the responsibility of the shop to quote the job right, clearly,<b> in writing</b>, and complete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the job within a reasonable time, barring circumstances beyond the shops' control. Misunderstandings should be easily cleared up by the contract, if they are not,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>then the shop f'd up. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If the job gets out of hand in some way and the customer gets upset, then it is nothing but a petty, juvenile, bully attitude if the shop then says "Hey if you don't like it, I got your car, I got your money so, nyah nyah nyah. What are you gonna do about it?" <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I can't see how Ed did anything wrong other than pay in full up front. Always a bad idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br>Sent using Hushmail<br><br><br>On February 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, "Pantdino" <<a href="mailto:pantdino@aol.com" target="_blank">pantdino@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ed,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Just to give us some background, what was Don supposed to do for the original estimate of $36K? That's a significant amount of money.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ed Mendez <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com" target="_blank">edducati@mac.com</a>><br>To: detomaso <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com" target="_blank">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:03 am<br>Subject: [DeTomaso] Don Byars and what he did to me and my Pantera<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To All Pantera Owners Worldwide, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You should all ready this, so this does not happen to you. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>As of now Don Byars refuses to help me or repair any of the damage he did to my Pantera after paying him $42,000 over the last two years! It is shameful behaviour!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike Drew was going to feature my car in Profiles. Sorry but I would rather you did not. Don deserves no advertising.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Read below how Don held my car as ransom, extorted $6000 more dollars out of me, and made me sign a waiver releasing him of all warranty for work he completed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Now I am in another country, I have dumped my car on a friend to finish, and I am out of a lot of cash.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I guess he did not realise that I have 300+ Pantera friends worldwide on Facebook. I guess he will soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Patterson, Lee R." <<a href="mailto:LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com">LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>4 February 2014 17:41:57 NZDT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Kevin Ryniker <<a href="mailto:durland@san.rr.com">durland@san.rr.com</a>>, 'Westmicro' <<a href="mailto:westmicro@aol.com">westmicro@aol.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Patterson, Lee R." <<a href="mailto:LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com">LEE.R.PATTERSON@saic.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can only relate the time I called him to purchase a very small, inexpensive part for my car. His response was “that’s all you want to buy?” to which I said yes. He then sighed and reluctantly took my order. Upon receipt, the part was a poorly reproduced version of the original part, the art work was off-center and after attempting to “fix” it myself, I threw it in the trash. So my only experience with him was he was uninterested in my business and the product he sold and represented me was shit. So no, I will not call him ever again because to me, that behavior speaks to total lack of INTEGRITY AND ETHICS. I hope the $12,000 you bought from him were better than my $25. part.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Ryniker<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 03, 2014 8:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Westmicro'; <a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>; <a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I Have to agree with Mike to the extent that there must be something else going on. This sounds like a cash flow crunch, he is acting like a producer on a show that got in over his head.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I known Bobby Buyers for 10 years at least, never had a problem, I’ve easily bought $12,000 worth of parts from him. He has always stood behind his work and his dealings with me. He even warranty parts that I got from Wilkenson and Hall, for free, expensive stuff. Never really delt with Don but I think he is Don’s brother, they used to be in business with each other, might be worthwhile to call Bobby. Just an idea.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any help I can aid in please feel free to ask.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Times;color:black'><img border=0 width=17 height=18 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CF2345.8F2E1030"> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5D7484'>Durland Productions</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>Kevin Ryniker, Cell <a href="tel:%28858%29%20336%209803" target="_blank">(858) 336 9803</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>Phone <a href="tel:%28858%29%20693%206207" target="_blank">(858) 693 6207</a>, Fax <a href="tel:%28858%29%20693%206227" target="_blank">(858) 693 6227</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'>8766 Betelgeuse Way, San Diego, CA 92126</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#4C4C4C'><a href="http://www.durlandproductions.com">www.durlandproductions.com</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Westmicro<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 03, 2014 7:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>; <a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Please pass all this on to Don.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe this will make him realize what he has done here, and he will make it right.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Reputation and doing the right thing is Everything in Business.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Dave Nuding</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Western Micrographics & Imaging Systems</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'>Houston / San Diego</span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'><a href="tel:858-722-5500" target="_blank">858-722-5500</a></span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'><a href="http://www.westernmicrographics.com"><span style='font-weight:normal'>http://www.westernmicrographics.com</span></a></span></i></strong><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:mediumblue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Michael Becker <<a href="mailto:mikebecker@cox.net">mikebecker@cox.net</a>><br>To: 'Ed Mendez' <<a href="mailto:edducati@mac.com">edducati@mac.com</a>>; 'San Diego Panteras' <<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:35 pm<br>Subject: RE: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Holy crap, that's terrible Ed. So sorry to hear this. I don't understand,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>I've never heard a bad thing about Don. I've also never had any work done</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>by him, but the general perception is that his work speaks for itself. I</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>can't imagine what his reasoning is. I don't have any kind of relationship</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>with him, so I don't really feel I could speak to him. Maybe something just</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>got into him and he needs time to realize the pickle he's put you in. Maybe</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>he's got some other troubles and sort of reached a breaking point or</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>something like that. Perhaps he'll come around and somehow make good on it.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>I would hold off on slinging mud until all options for reconciliation are</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>exhausted. </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Hang in there, </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Mike</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>-----Original Message-----</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com">mailto:sdpanteras@googlegroups.com</a>] On</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Behalf Of Ed Mendez</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 4:39 PM</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>To: San Diego Panteras</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Subject: [SDP] Hi Everyone please read</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Hi all,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Made it to New Zealand and started work. Still a bit jet lagged but that is</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>nothing compared to how I feel from what Don Byars did to me before I left.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>After paying Don $36,000 in cash and up front and paying my final invoiced</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>bill on Jan. 22nd. There were some electrical issues from the Pantera</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Electronics parts I bought. There were two blown up boards, Pantera not</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>charging, and several other issues. This was NOT from Pantera Electronics</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>however, it was from Don not following the simple directions and hooking</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>things up wrong. So he spent the next four days trying to sort out the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>issues. On the 28th he called me and said come and get this car out of my</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>shop! I asked if it was done, he said no, and it is not running either. He</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>verbally told me on the 22nd that it would be about $2000 more and he would</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>have it all finished including the seats bolted in on the seat rails, the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>seat belts, and all be working. What he told me on the phone shocked me. He</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>said that I now owed him an additional $6300 and that knowing I was leaving,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>he wanted cash, and would not release the car until I paid him in full! </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>I have always paid him up front, and in advance. Since I was leaving the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>country, he gave me no choice, I had to come up with cash. He delivered the</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>car to me, backed it out of his trailer still hooked to the cable, I then</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>paid him in full and he refused to unhook the car until I signed a waiver</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>releasing him of any work related defects!!!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>He treated me like a criminal and EXTORTED $6000 from me!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Now the car is sitting in Vista, Ca. The seats were not bolted in, the belts</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>were not done, seat rails, scratches in my paint under the hood, he left my</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>brand new air compressor disconnected and exposed to air. The car runs but</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>electrically a mess, far from being done, and far from being in a state of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>condition for the money I paid him.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Don Byars is a thief to the Nth degree! And he did all this in front of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>whom? The new President of POCA!</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Just wondering if he is completely stupid!? I just wonder what I did, I was</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>utterly insulted. What did I do to deserve this? His wife told me Don was</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>mad because I did not let him finish the car!!!??? I paid him a total of</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>$42,000. He knew the drop dead date months before I was leaving. Even John Haas of Pantera Electronics offered to help, Don did not call him once!!! I asked John Haas to call him.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>At this point my car is in the care of John Buckman, if anyone can please</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>offer any assistance, I have to get it in a somewhat completed state to ship</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>overseas. </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Please spread the word. If I were there I could do something, all I have is</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>you guys to spread the word about what he did to me.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Ed Mendez</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Sent from my iPad</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>DeTomaso mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br><br>DeTomaso mailing list<br><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com" target="_blank">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><br><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br><br>DeTomaso mailing list<br><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><br><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>