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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ok Mike the rest of the story:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I installed a dial indicator on the slave
to determine the travel during different times and temperatures. Wanted to make
sure it was not a problem after the slave. It was not the slave travel would
decrease.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I started by bleeding, pressure, vacuum,
and pumping. Worked great till hot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I replaced the red plastic line. Worked
great till hot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I rebuilt the slave. Work great till hot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I replaced the clutch Master. Worked hot
and cold.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Larry</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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w:st="on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
MikeLDrew@aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 03, 2014
10:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Larry</st1:PersonName>@ohiotimecorp.com;
pcajthaml@gmail.com; detomaso@poca.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DeTomaso] Shifting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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In a message dated 2/3/14 11 59 1, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Larry</st1:PersonName>@ohiotimecorp.com
writes:<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I had a friends 72 that
would loose slave travel when it warmed up. It got so bad you had to double
pump the clutch to shift when hot.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;
color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It turned out to be the
clutch master, I did not think it would get that hot in there.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Geneva;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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>>>As to your friend, I would guess, right cause, wrong conclusion.<br>
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I would say the problem your friend had was simply air in the lines. As
the car heated up, the air expanded and the hydraulics lost effectiveness.<br>
<br>
When you change the master cylinder, you necessarily purge and bleed the
system. Hey presto, it works now! However, I suspect that purging
it with the old components in place would likely have had the same effect.<br>
<br>
When a clutch master fails, it's not temperature-dependent. Often the
pedal will feel fine one time, and the next time you step on it, it just
plunges to the floor with no clutch actuation, and then the next time, it
works. The symptoms you describe (heat-related failure) where there is a
clear relationship between temperature of the components, and their
effectiveness, almost always points to simple air in the system.<br>
<br>
Getting all that air out can be a PIA. One thing some people forget is
that the bleeder has to be at the high end of the system. I've seen a
clutch slave installed inverted, so that the line came in the top and the
bleeder was beneath it. Yes, he had problems too, until we flipped it
around....<br>
<br>
Mike</span></font><font face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-family:
Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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