<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><font size="2">Everything back there gets hot. I recorded 180F lube temp in my ZF during a 5 hr run to 'Vegas one year. </font>T<font size="2">hat hole (or holes if you have an early car) in the bellhousing is not for peering inside; its a cooling/ventillation port for the clutch. Plugging it with a piece of plastic is not a good idea except during work around the back end where things could fall inside. FWIW- J Deryke</font>
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travel when it warmed up. It got so bad you had to double pump the clutch to
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Of </span></b>Peter Cajthaml<br>
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question from last week, as I also have problems shifting into reverse AFTER
the car has been driven for ~ 30 minutes (is well warmed up). I have had
the problem since I owned the car, and would really like to fix it this year.</span></font></div>
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reverse when the engine is off, so turning off the engine, shifting into
reverse is how I have been getting around the problem. Shifting into all other
gears is smooth, whether going up or down.</span></font></div>
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slave cylinder about 5 years ago with the stock OEM unit. I recently saw
that an upgraded stainless steel slave is available - would that improve the
situation? If not, how do I adjust the clutch so it disengages completely
when hot? I plan to change the fluid and bleed the system again, but have
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt">coincidentally, Jay Leone, who posted the original question, was the
first owner of #2761, I bought it from him in ~2006 (i think). Hello
Jay! I am finally getting around to changing the tires :)</span></font></div>
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<pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><<more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know why. >></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Will, Reverse does not have a synchronizer, (synchro). Its job is to bring</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">the gear you are going into, to the matching speed so that the gear does not</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">grind. When a clutch is dragging a bit you over work the synchros to prevent</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">gear grinding. I think ZF synchros cost more then I make in a year.</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Larry</span></font> (shifty) - Cleveland</pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> _____ </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From: DeTomaso [mailto:<a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">detomaso-bounces at poca.com</a>] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:05 AM</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To: <a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">Leonejay at aol.com</a>; <a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">detomaso at poca.com</a></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I would check:</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Is the clutch fully releasing? If not, you'll have trouble shifting, and it</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">will likely be more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">why. Maybe the reverse shift is more complicated inside the ZF.</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Try it with the engine not running. Can you shift into reverse easier? If</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">you can with the engine stopped, but you can't with the engine running, I'd</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">suspect the clutch.</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">And then, the next most obvious thing is adjusting the shifter. Lots of</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">things to do there, and it is likely documented well on the various P-car</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">sites.</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">--</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Will</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From: <<a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">Leonejay at aol.com</a>></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:10 PM</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To: <<a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">detomaso at poca.com</a>></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Subject: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I have a problem trying to shift into reverse. Need help. Thanks Jay</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum Managed by</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">POCA DeTomaso mailing list <a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">DeTomaso at poca.com</a></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-------------- next part --------------</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20140130/66d5793f/attachment.html">http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20140130/66d5793f/attachment.html</a>></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Jay wrote:</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> I have a problem trying to shift into reverse. Need help.?</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>>><i><span style="font-style:italic">Need more info. ?What problem, specifically, are you having? ?Are the gears grinding? ?Will the lever not move over far enough to get it into gear at all? ?Can you get it into reverse with the engine shut off, but not with the engine running?</span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">There are a dozen different problems that you could be experiencing, each with a different solution. ?Let us know *specifically* what your problem is, and we'll help you sort it out quick-style! :>)</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Mike</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-------------- next part --------------</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span></font></pre><pre><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20140130/71f734aa/attachment.html">http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20140130/71f734aa/attachment.html</a>></span></font></pre>
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