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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m sorry I was speaking of the
clutch Master that is located under the front hood/bonnet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> jderyke@aol.com
[mailto:jderyke@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 03, 2014
4:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Larry</st1:PersonName>@ohiotimecorp.com;
pcajthaml@gmail.com; detomaso@poca.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DeTomaso] Shifting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Everything back there gets hot. I
recorded 180F lube temp in my ZF during a 5 hr run to 'Vegas one year. That
hole (or holes if you have an early car) in the bellhousing is not for peering
inside; its a cooling/ventillation port for the clutch. Plugging it with a
piece of plastic is not a good idea except during work around the back end
where things could fall inside. FWIW- J Deryke <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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travel when it warmed up. It got so bad you had to double pump the clutch to
shift when hot.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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did not think it would get that hot in there.</span></font><font size=2
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color:black'> DeTomaso [<a href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com?">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Cajthaml<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 03, 2014
2:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DeTomaso] Shifting</span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Following up on this question from last
week, as I also have problems shifting into reverse AFTER the car has been
driven for ~ 30 minutes (is well warmed up). I have had the problem since
I owned the car, and would really like to fix it this year.</span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It will always go into reverse when the
engine is off, so turning off the engine, shifting into reverse is how I have
been getting around the problem. Shifting into all other gears is smooth,
whether going up or down.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I replaced a bad clutch slave cylinder
about 5 years ago with the stock OEM unit. I recently saw that an
upgraded stainless steel slave is available - would that improve the
situation? If not, how do I adjust the clutch so it disengages completely
when hot? I plan to change the fluid and bleed the system again, but have
done so many times before without an improvement.</span></font><font size=2
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#2761</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>coincidentally, Jay Leone, who posted the
original question, was the first owner of #2761, I bought it from him
in ~2006 (i think). Hello Jay! I am finally getting around to changing
the tires :)</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'><<more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know why. >><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Will, Reverse does not have a synchronizer, (synchro). Its job is to bring<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>the gear you are going into, to the matching speed so that the gear does not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>grind. When a clutch is dragging a bit you over work the synchros to prevent<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>gear grinding. I think ZF synchros cost more then I make in a year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Larry</span></font></st1:PersonName><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> (shifty) - <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> _____ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: DeTomaso [mailto:<a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">detomaso-bounces at poca.com</a>] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To: <a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">Leonejay at aol.com</a>; <a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">detomaso at poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I would check:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Is the clutch fully releasing? If not, you'll have trouble shifting, and it<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>will likely be more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>why. Maybe the reverse shift is more complicated inside the ZF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Try it with the engine not running. Can you shift into reverse easier? If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>you can with the engine stopped, but you can't with the engine running, I'd<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>suspect the clutch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>And then, the next most obvious thing is adjusting the shifter. Lots of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>things to do there, and it is likely documented well on the various P-car<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Will<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: <<a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">Leonejay at aol.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To: <<a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">detomaso at poca.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Subject: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I have a problem trying to shift into reverse. Need help. Thanks Jay<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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