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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I had a friends 72 that would loose slave
travel when it warmed up. It got so bad you had to double pump the clutch to
shift when hot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It turned out to be the clutch master, I
did not think it would get that hot in there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy'> (very clutching) – <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> DeTomaso
[mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Peter Cajthaml<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 03, 2014
2:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> detomaso@poca.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DeTomaso] Shifting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Following up on this
question from last week, as I also have problems shifting into reverse AFTER
the car has been driven for ~ 30 minutes (is well warmed up). I have had
the problem since I owned the car, and would really like to fix it this year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It will always go into
reverse when the engine is off, so turning off the engine, shifting into
reverse is how I have been getting around the problem. Shifting into all other
gears is smooth, whether going up or down.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I replaced a bad clutch
slave cylinder about 5 years ago with the stock OEM unit. I recently saw
that an upgraded stainless steel slave is available - would that improve the
situation? If not, how do I adjust the clutch so it disengages completely
when hot? I plan to change the fluid and bleed the system again, but have
done so many times before without an improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Peter<br>
#2761<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>coincidentally, Jay Leone, who posted the original question, was the
first owner of #2761, I bought it from him in ~2006 (i think). Hello
Jay! I am finally getting around to changing the tires :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><<more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know why. >><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Will, Reverse does not have a synchronizer, (synchro). Its job is to bring<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the gear you are going into, to the matching speed so that the gear does not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>grind. When a clutch is dragging a bit you over work the synchros to prevent<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>gear grinding. I think ZF synchros cost more then I make in a year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Larry</span></font></st1:PersonName> (shifty) - <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> _____ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: DeTomaso [mailto:<a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">detomaso-bounces at poca.com</a>] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">Leonejay at aol.com</a>; <a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">detomaso at poca.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I would check:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Is the clutch fully releasing? If not, you'll have trouble shifting, and it<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>will likely be more difficult in reverse before other gears. I don't know<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>why. Maybe the reverse shift is more complicated inside the ZF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Try it with the engine not running. Can you shift into reverse easier? If<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>you can with the engine stopped, but you can't with the engine running, I'd<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>suspect the clutch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And then, the next most obvious thing is adjusting the shifter. Lots of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>things to do there, and it is likely documented well on the various P-car<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>sites.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Will<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <<a
href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com">Leonejay at aol.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <<a
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: [DeTomaso] Shiftiing<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I have a problem trying to shift into reverse. Need help. Thanks Jay<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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style='font-style:italic'>Need more info. ?What problem, specifically, are you having? ?Are the gears grinding? ?Will the lever not move over far enough to get it into gear at all? ?Can you get it into reverse with the engine shut off, but not with the engine running?<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></font></pre><pre><font
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