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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Well, I read this email <b>AFTER </b>I just sent my email!! Doh!! So, we either have a 16 month, or an 18 month calendar - anyway, it's a bunch of great pictures of beautiful Panteras. ---BILL Lewis<br><br><div>> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:38:27 -0600<br>> From: jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com<br>> To: cwhamm@frontier.com; detomaso@poca.com<br>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2014 calender<br>> <br>> Yes<br>> <br>> Space City Panteras has an 18 month calendar starting 12/13. It is <br>> available for $10 plus shipping<br>> <br>> JT<br>> On 12/22/2013 11:18 AM, clarkewilma wrote:<br>> > Does anybody know if the is a Pantera calendar out this year?<br>> > Clarke 7350<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] On Behalf Of<br>> > detomaso-request@poca.com<br>> > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 11:00 AM<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 114, Issue 21<br>> ><br>> > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to<br>> > detomaso@poca.com<br>> ><br>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > detomaso-request@poca.com<br>> ><br>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > detomaso-owner@poca.com<br>> ><br>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than<br>> > "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Daily Detomaso List Digest<br>> ><br>> > Today's Topics:<br>> ><br>> > 1. Re: Electric Choke, yes or no? (Janne M?ki-Pet?j?)<br>> > 2. What are the odds.... (Mike Drew)<br>> > 3. Re: What are the odds.... (Janne M?ki-Pet?j?)<br>> > 4. Re: What are the odds.... (Christopher Kimball)<br>> > 5. Re: What are the odds.... (Bjoern Flesland)<br>> > 6. Re: What are the odds.... (Julian Kift)<br>> > 7. Re: What are the odds.... (Bill Moore)<br>> > 8. Re: What are the odds.... (Mike Becker)<br>> > 9. Rear deck lid hinge (jeepinfool2001@aol.com)<br>> > 10. Re: Rear deck lid hinge (MikeLDrew@aol.com)<br>> > 11. Re: What are the odds.... (MikeLDrew@aol.com)<br>> > 12. Re: What are the odds.... (steven.liebenow@att.net)<br>> > 13. Re: What are the odds.... (Mike Thomas)<br>> > 14. Re: What are the odds.... (John Taphorn)<br>> > 15. Re: Electric Choke, yes or no? (Will Kooiman)<br>> > 16. Re: What are the odds.... (Bill Lewis)<br>> > 17. NPC: Christmas dog.... (MikeLDrew@aol.com)<br>> > 18. Rear deck lid hinge (rfmccall@comcast.net)<br>> > 19. Rear deck lid hinge (rfmccall@comcast.net)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:00:19 +0200<br>> > From: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711@kolumbus.fi><br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke, yes or no?<br>> > Message-ID: <52B4A1D3.4@kolumbus.fi><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Although it's not often seen, it's entirely possible to use metal choke tube<br>> > connected to manifold heat source, with electric choke as well.<br>> > That'll give a heat source to the coil always when the engine is warm, and<br>> > choke will still go off electrically little faster when it's cold.<br>> ><br>> > Janne<br>> ><br>> > 19.12.2013 22.09, Mikael kirjoitti:<br>> >> A word about electric chokes, I know this is not what was asked, but<br>> >> that won't stop me...<br>> >><br>> >> On my Longchamp, semi-mild daily driver, yes definitely an electric choke.<br>> >><br>> >> But on a Pantera, especially a fast one, I wouldn't want one. I would<br>> >> rather rev it a bit with the throttle for the first minutes. The main<br>> >> problem with an electric choke (connected to proper 12V) is that if<br>> >> you leave the car parked for an hour and get back and start it, the<br>> >> choke will be fully on and take a little while to go off, and the<br>> >> engine doesn't need it. That means too rich mixture for a while, which<br>> >> washes oil off the cylinder walls. And if you have a high performance<br>> >> engine with narrow tuning tolerances and colder plugs, maybe even race<br>> >> plugs, the plugs can foul up due to this choke action. If you then do<br>> >> the wrong thing, look at your plugs and conclude that you need more<br>> >> lean jetting, then it really starts to get dangerous. In short, high<br>> >> performance engines shouldn't have an electric choke, it should have<br>> >> manual cable operated choke (difficult in a Pantera) or no choke at<br>> >> all. Divorced chokes are a bit better than electric chokes, but rarely<br>> > seen these days.<br>> >> (And on a totally unscientific note: The sound of the engine when<br>> >> almost warm, idling just above the rpm where it would die, that sound<br>> >> is fantastic)<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Just my $0.02<br>> >><br>> >> Mvh/Regards<br>> >> Mikael<br>> >><br>> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>> >> Fra: John Buckman [mailto:jb841@cox.net]<br>> >> Sendt: 19. december 2013 19:17<br>> >> Til: detomaso@poca.com<br>> >> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke<br>> >><br>> >> Why are we running a new wire? I just used the wire that is in the<br>> >> OEM loom. It still works great. Look at your wiring diagram.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>>>> The short answer is that connecting the electric choke to the<br>> >>>>> existing<br>> >> ignition wire can act as a rev limiter for your ignition system.<br>> >><br>> >> If you do not use a relay, and if you are not using the factory<br>> >> throttler position solenoid, there will be a red wire at the<br>> >> (approximate) center of the firewall that can be extended to the new<br>> >> electric choke's PLUS (+) terminal.<br>> >><br>> >> John<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >><br>> >> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 2<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800<br>> > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com><br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: mangusta@mangustainternational.com, Roger Brotton<br>> > <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>, "<mangusta1@comcast.net>"<br>> > <mangusta1@comcast.net>, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <53BCB90B-E03F-4B8A-B0D6-49D695F1EBF1@aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > Name: photo.JPG<br>> > Type: image/jpeg<br>> > Size: 620838 bytes<br>> > Desc: not available<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/8073a444/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.jpe><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 3<br>> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:12:03 +0200<br>> > From: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711@kolumbus.fi><br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <52B4C0B3.1080000@kolumbus.fi><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br>> ><br>> > Pretty close to zero...<br>> > -Janne<br>> ><br>> > 21.12.2013 0.08, Mike Drew kirjoitti:<br>> >> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,<br>> > and find this sitting in front of you!<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Mike<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >><br>> >> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131221/f90342c3/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 4<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:14:28 -0800<br>> > From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball@msn.com><br>> > To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew@aol.com>, Pantera list serve<br>> > <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > "mangusta@mangustainternational.com"<br>> > <mangusta@mangustainternational.com>, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > "mangusta1@comcast.net" <mangusta1@comcast.net>,<br>> > "steven.liebenow@att.net" <steven.liebenow@att.net><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <SNT146-W60F19B0F816F14CD5A7F6BCC40@phx.gbl><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > The pickup-truck owner responded to the ad, "Cool sports car for sale.<br>> > Needs work. Would make a great Christmas gift." :) Merry Christmas<br>> > everyone!<br>> > Sincerely,<br>> > Chris<br>> ><br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > CC: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com;<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net; fred@focusauto.com; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> > <br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> ><br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/57b0df24/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 5<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 23:13:59 +0100<br>> > From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland@gmail.com><br>> > To: "detomaso@poca.com" <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <CACF3J0L+5mKvZphTGA-o6bRWLcroPKR8BW5z_iHGG+F4xAsDLg@mail.gmail.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> ><br>> > Cool....If you are in Cali the odds are much bigger than elsewhere, IMO...<br>> > Cheers Bjoern<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:<br>> >> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,<br>> > and find this sitting in front of you!<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Mike<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >><br>> >> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 6<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:37:23 -0800<br>> > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com><br>> > To: "MikeLDrew@aol.com" <mikeldrew@aol.com>, De Tomaso List<br>> > <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > "mangusta@mangustainternational.com"<br>> > <mangusta@mangustainternational.com>, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > "mangusta1@comcast.net" <mangusta1@comcast.net>,<br>> > "steven.liebenow@att.net" <steven.liebenow@att.net><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <BAY173-W468B1E9128434904B767F095C40@phx.gbl><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401 on a<br>> > simple math basis I guess.<br>> > <br>> > Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you<br>> > telling us you didn't jump out and almost accost the driver to find out<br>> > more?<br>> > <br>> > Julian<br>> > <br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > CC: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com;<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net; fred@focusauto.com; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> > <br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> ><br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/fd1e1327/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 7<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:43:05 -0700<br>> > From: "Bill Moore" <bill@incendium.com><br>> > To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew@aol.com>, <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: 'Roger Brotton' <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > mangusta@mangustainternational.com, 'Fred' <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net, steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <br>> > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALfAjZPqFblDiL2h9tNMWzHCgAAAEAAAAE3Q7Tdw9z9Pv6YcST0e<br>> > rZABAAAAAA==@incendium.com><br>> > <br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > Comeonmike, did you get the s/n ????<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Cheers:<br>> ><br>> > Please use my bill@incendium.com email address in all messages.<br>> ><br>> > Bill Moore<br>> > Incendium Supply Ltd.<br>> > Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.<br>> > Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9<br>> > 403.202.0055<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew<br>> > Sent: December-20-13 3:09 PM<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; Roger Brotton;<br>> > <mangusta1@comcast.net>; Fred; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 8<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:57:51 -0800<br>> > From: Mike Becker <mikebecker@cox.net><br>> > To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com>, detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > mangusta@mangustainternational.com, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > "<mangusta1@comcast.net>" <mangusta1@comcast.net>,<br>> > steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <roccy8xosc88jxl2x17sb8qs.1387579011250@email.android.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> ><br>> > That is pretty unusual, a trailer with two functioning brake lights.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S?4<br>> ><br>> > -------- Original message --------<br>> > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com><br>> > Date:12/20/2013 14:08 (GMT-08:00)<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: mangusta@mangustainternational.com,Roger Brotton<br>> > <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,"<mangusta1@comcast.net>"<br>> > <mangusta1@comcast.net>,Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> ><br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/104c2a70/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 9<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:59:53 -0500 (EST)<br>> > From: jeepinfool2001@aol.com<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge<br>> > Message-ID: <8D0CBEE53F7A80B-F04-30A9E@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > I'm in need of a drivers side rear deck lid hinge assembly for a early 71<br>> > Pantera. If anyone has a line on one please let me know.<br>> ><br>> > Thanks<br>> > Mark Mensen<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/ba9ee769/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 10<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:32:40 -0500 (EST)<br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > To: jeepinfool2001@aol.com, detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge<br>> > Message-ID: <b94f4.738a2777.3fe62d98@aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > In a message dated 12/20/13 15 00 58, jeepinfool2001@aol.com writes:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> I'm in need of a drivers side rear deck lid hinge assembly for a early<br>> >> 71 Pantera. If anyone has a line on one please let me know.<br>> >><br>> >>>> Wilkinson lists them for only $23.78 on his website, with an<br>> >>>> additional<br>> > $16.27 for the pin. Not bad!<br>> ><br>> > Let us know if those prices aren't correct?<br>> ><br>> > I actually have a pair of hinges available, but they come with a perfect<br>> > decklid attached, for rather more than that!<br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/e69468ca/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 11<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:33:32 -0500 (EST)<br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > To: julian_kift@hotmail.com, detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com, mangusta@mangustainternational.com,<br>> > fred@focusauto.com, mangusta1@comcast.net, steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <b94f7.25c6f272.3fe62dcc@aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > In a message dated 12/20/13 14 37 25, julian_kift@hotmail.com writes:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401<br>> >> on a simple math basis?I guess.<br>> >> ?<br>> >> Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you<br>> >> telling us you didn't jump out and?almost accost the driver to find out<br>> > more?<br>> >>>> Nah, didn't need to. It's Steve Klunk. He's not a club member, but<br>> > he has hosted PCNC when we visited his house (and several other non-club<br>> > members) on the Concours de la Garage tour in 2007:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > He bought this Mangusta as a non-running project and it has been sitting in<br>> > his garage, not being restored, for more than 20 years, but he finally<br>> > started working on it in earnest awhile ago.<br>> ><br>> > Today, he was hauling it away from the industrial park at Sears Point<br>> > Raceway, so presumably some mechanical or paint/body work had been completed<br>> ><br>> > there. We just caught him at the light and he turned right, we were unable<br>> > to<br>> > follow due to oncoming traffic, and he was on the highway and gone....<br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/88b80f85/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > Name: untitled<br>> > Type: image/jpeg<br>> > Size: 279534 bytes<br>> > Desc: not available<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/88b80f85/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.jpe><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 12<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:38:58 -0800 (PST)<br>> > From: steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > To: "MikeLDrew@aol.com" <MikeLDrew@aol.com>, "julian_kift@hotmail.com"<br>> > <julian_kift@hotmail.com>, "detomaso@poca.com"<br>> > <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: "rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com" <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > "mangusta@mangustainternational.com"<br>> > <mangusta@mangustainternational.com>, "fred@focusauto.com"<br>> > <fred@focusauto.com>, "mangusta1@comcast.net"<br>> > <mangusta1@comcast.net><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <1387582738.74064.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > Hopefully it wasn't the same shop that chopped up Gali's sway bar mounts<br>> > when they were working on it.....or perhaps it was Steve's car......doh!!!<br>> ><br>> > S<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> > From: "MikeLDrew@aol.com" <MikeLDrew@aol.com><br>> > To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com;<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net; fred@focusauto.com; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:33 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > <br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > In a message dated 12/20/13 14 37 25, julian_kift@hotmail.com writes:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Well if you explore the odds, they would nominally be about 1 in 401 on a<br>> > simple math basis?I guess.<br>> >> ?<br>> >> Actually having that sit in front of you maybe one thing, but are you<br>> > telling us you didn't jump out and?almost accost the driver to find out<br>> > more?<br>> >>>> Nah, didn't need to.? It's Steve Klunk.? He's not a club member, but he<br>> > has hosted PCNC when we visited his house (and several other non-club<br>> > members) on the Concours de la Garage tour in 2007:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > He bought this Mangusta as a non-running project and it has been sitting in<br>> > his garage, not being restored, for more than 20 years, but he finally<br>> > started working on it in earnest awhile ago.?<br>> ><br>> > Today, he was hauling it away from the industrial park at Sears Point<br>> > Raceway, so presumably some mechanical or paint/body work had been completed<br>> > there.? We just caught him at the light and he turned right, we were unable<br>> > to follow due to oncoming traffic, and he was on the highway and gone....<br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/e10e3f9d/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > Name: untitled<br>> > Type: image/jpeg<br>> > Size: 279534 bytes<br>> > Desc: not available<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/e10e3f9d/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.jpe><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 13<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:40:29 -0800<br>> > From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas@comcast.net><br>> > To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew@aol.com>, <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: 'Roger Brotton' <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > mangusta@mangustainternational.com, 'Fred' <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net, steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <029001cefddc$de4158a0$9ac409e0$@comcast.net><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > I hope you followed him and found out more about it . . .<br>> > Nice project.<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew<br>> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:09 PM<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; Roger Brotton;<br>> > <mangusta1@comcast.net>; Fred; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 14<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:51:33 -0600<br>> > From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com><br>> > To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com>, detomaso@poca.com<br>> > Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > mangusta@mangustainternational.com, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > "<mangusta1@comcast.net>" <mangusta1@comcast.net>,<br>> > steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <52B4E615.2020704@kingwoodcable.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br>> ><br>> > That's crazy. I can't believe that you didn't follow it to it's<br>> > destination or pull the driver over. It was Mike Drew who posted this<br>> > pic, I believe.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 12/20/2013 4:08 PM, Mike Drew wrote:<br>> >> ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight,<br>> > and find this sitting in front of you!<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Mike<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >><br>> >> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/cc1c2f8f/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 15<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:20:48 -0500<br>> > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com><br>> > To: Janne M?ki-Pet?j? <eb0711@kolumbus.fi>, <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke, yes or no?<br>> > Message-ID: <CEDA64A0.6819A%will.kooiman@gmail.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > If I remember correctly, the factory chokes drew air either from the<br>> > exhaust manifolds or from under the intake, through the choke housing, and<br>> > then through a vacuum port - in order to suck the air.<br>> ><br>> > I don't know if the electric chokes can do both. It might be one or the<br>> > other.<br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Will<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 12/20/13 3:00 PM, "Janne M?ki-Pet?j?" <eb0711@kolumbus.fi> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Although it's not often seen, it's entirely possible to use metal choke<br>> >> tube connected to manifold heat source, with electric choke as well.<br>> >> That'll give a heat source to the coil always when the engine is warm,<br>> >> and choke will still go off electrically little faster when it's cold.<br>> >><br>> >> Janne<br>> >><br>> >> 19.12.2013 22.09, Mikael kirjoitti:<br>> >>> A word about electric chokes, I know this is not what was asked, but<br>> >>> that<br>> >>> won't stop me...<br>> >>><br>> >>> On my Longchamp, semi-mild daily driver, yes definitely an electric<br>> >>> choke.<br>> >>><br>> >>> But on a Pantera, especially a fast one, I wouldn't want one. I would<br>> >>> rather<br>> >>> rev it a bit with the throttle for the first minutes. The main problem<br>> >>> with<br>> >>> an electric choke (connected to proper 12V) is that if you leave the car<br>> >>> parked for an hour and get back and start it, the choke will be fully<br>> >>> on and<br>> >>> take a little while to go off, and the engine doesn't need it. That<br>> >>> means<br>> >>> too rich mixture for a while, which washes oil off the cylinder walls.<br>> >>> And<br>> >>> if you have a high performance engine with narrow tuning tolerances and<br>> >>> colder plugs, maybe even race plugs, the plugs can foul up due to this<br>> >>> choke<br>> >>> action. If you then do the wrong thing, look at your plugs and conclude<br>> >>> that<br>> >>> you need more lean jetting, then it really starts to get dangerous. In<br>> >>> short, high performance engines shouldn't have an electric choke, it<br>> >>> should<br>> >>> have manual cable operated choke (difficult in a Pantera) or no choke at<br>> >>> all. Divorced chokes are a bit better than electric chokes, but rarely<br>> >>> seen<br>> >>> these days.<br>> >>> (And on a totally unscientific note: The sound of the engine when almost<br>> >>> warm, idling just above the rpm where it would die, that sound is<br>> >>> fantastic)<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Just my $0.02<br>> >>><br>> >>> Mvh/Regards<br>> >>> Mikael<br>> >>><br>> >>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>> >>> Fra: John Buckman [mailto:jb841@cox.net]<br>> >>> Sendt: 19. december 2013 19:17<br>> >>> Til: detomaso@poca.com<br>> >>> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Electric Choke<br>> >>><br>> >>> Why are we running a new wire? I just used the wire that is in the OEM<br>> >>> loom. It still works great. Look at your wiring diagram.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>>>> The short answer is that connecting the electric choke to the<br>> >>>>>> existing<br>> >>> ignition wire can act as a rev limiter for your ignition system.<br>> >>><br>> >>> If you do not use a relay, and if you are not using the factory<br>> >>> throttler<br>> >>> position solenoid, there will be a red wire at the (approximate) center<br>> >>> of<br>> >>> the firewall that can be extended to the new electric choke's PLUS (+)<br>> >>> terminal.<br>> >>><br>> >>> John<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>><br>> >>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >>><br>> >>> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >>> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> >><br>> >> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> >> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> >> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 16<br>> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 02:24:05 +0000<br>> > From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005@hotmail.com><br>> > To: PANTERA-MikeDrew <mikeldrew@aol.com>, "detomaso@poca.com"<br>> > <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Cc: Roger Brotton <rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com>,<br>> > "mangusta@mangustainternational.com"<br>> > <mangusta@mangustainternational.com>, Fred <fred@focusauto.com>,<br>> > "mangusta1@comcast.net" <mangusta1@comcast.net>,<br>> > "steven.liebenow@att.net" <steven.liebenow@att.net><br>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> > Message-ID: <BAY173-W47CF6ACF3684508B2B6AA8BBC70@phx.gbl><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > Mike, I haven't read all the threads, so WHAT did you do? What were you<br>> > driving (VW)? ---BILL L<br>> ><br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:08:58 -0800<br>> > To: detomaso@poca.com<br>> > CC: mangusta@mangustainternational.com; rogerkbrotton@yahoo.com;<br>> > mangusta1@comcast.net; fred@focusauto.com; steven.liebenow@att.net<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] What are the odds....<br>> ><br>> > ....that you are just driving around, happen to come up to a stoplight, and<br>> > find this sitting in front of you!<br>> > <br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> ><br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131221/4368d3e2/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 17<br>> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:52:39 -0500 (EST)<br>> > From: MikeLDrew@aol.com<br>> > To: detomaso@POCA.com<br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Christmas dog....<br>> > Message-ID: <43794.5a2859e0.3fe66a87@aol.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > Hi guys,<br>> ><br>> > Anybody who has ever had a dog will certainly recognize this look! :>)<br>> ><br>> > Mike<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/956170aa/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > Name: Christmas Dog.jpg<br>> > Type: image/jpeg<br>> > Size: 74690 bytes<br>> > Desc: not available<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131220/956170aa/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.jpg><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 18<br>> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:23:18 +0000 (UTC)<br>> > From: rfmccall@comcast.net<br>> > To: detomaso <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <br>> > <830184236.135065.1387632198202.JavaMail.root@sz0198a.westchester.pa.mail.co<br>> > mcast.net><br>> > <br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Mark,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have lots of that kind of stuff.<br>> ><br>> > I will email you .<br>> ><br>> > Ron McCall<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131221/6e507b92/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 19<br>> > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC)<br>> > From: rfmccall@comcast.net<br>> > To: detomaso <detomaso@poca.com><br>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear deck lid hinge<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <br>> > <1467020793.135087.1387632305961.JavaMail.root@sz0198a.westchester.pa.mail.c<br>> > omcast.net><br>> > <br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Mark,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have lots of that sort of stuff. I will email you .<br>> ><br>> > Ron McCall<br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL:<br>> > <http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/attachments/20131221/c6f5375d/a<br>> > ttachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Subject: Digest Footer<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 114, Issue 21<br>> > *****************************************<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> ><br>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> ><br>> > DeTomaso mailing list<br>> > DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> > http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> <br>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br>> <br>> DeTomaso mailing list<br>> DeTomaso@poca.com<br>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com<br></div> </div></body>
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