<div dir="ltr">I'm guessing that you aren't 5'5" tall and weigh more than 140lbs.<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ron Fogle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rfogle1@aol.com" target="_blank">rfogle1@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Most certainly do not have the balls the way they whine, in the glory years of F1, there was 10% chance you would die
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<div>Modern F1 cars have power steering ( for a car that weighs 1,600ish lbs ) in a time limited race with a shorter courses.</div>
<div>I'd bet that none of the 50's,60 era drivers that could manhandle those cars could fit in a modern car.</div>
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New drivers are world class athletes. NASCAR drivers are sometimes world class athletes with baby bumps.<br>
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Do the new, super fit and strong drivers have the skill and style to drive the old cars?<br>
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<div>Weber was the last tall one and if you remember, Kubica looked almost dead when he went from 165 to 150 by team orders.</div>
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<div>The old guard would never be able to get into the these new cars and I doubt the new drivers would have the strength to manhandle the older cars.</div>
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<div>On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM, mark skwarek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ehpantera@yahoo.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ehpantera@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><font color="#000000" face="arial"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small">Hi Richard. When a couple of hundred POCA members visited the Minardi factory during the DeTomaso Factory Tour in '96, only little skinny drivers could fit in their display car- all women. Things must have changed.... Wish I'd been there, but at 6"2 and 190 lbs I have no illusions I'd fit today, either! Cheers to you in S. TX- J Deryke</span></font></div>
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<div>I can't tell you how incredible the experience was. I strongly recommend signing up. I understand they're coming back to COTA tentatively on 22 March and 20 October. I originally thought it was a bit expensive—I don't anymore. It was worth every penny.</div>
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