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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Thanks! I appreciate another favorable report on the Robb 550 HP fuel pump. I also appreciate your reference to a little know hipo part! Did you use this trick ball bearing “roller” fuel eccentric on you rebuild? I suppose that it is ironic that the suspected culprit, the strong fuel pump, survived the carnage to be re-used in the rebuilt engine??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mark skwarek [mailto:ehpantera@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Charles Engles; jderyke@aol.com; DtomasoCat@aol.com; detomaso@poca.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Fuel Pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id=yiv1418678017><div><div><div id=yiv1418678017><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2579"><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2578"><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_9_1386516798709_5"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_28482"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_28503"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I've been running the Robb Mc Performance 550HP fuel pump for a few years and couldn't be more pleased. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_31921"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_31923"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't know what the spring pressure they use and how it compares to the stock pump but seems to be a bit stronger. This could lead to the eccentric drive on the cam gear. I had the cam drive pin fail earlier in the year. The base of the eccentric was bowed a bit. The end result was that the drive pin failed and some carnage in the engine (2 broken valves). Fortunately the block was ok and the heads needed 2 new valve seats. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_37901"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_37900"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>At one time there was a solid eccentric made but I have not been able to locate one. There is also a roller bearing eccentric: <a href="http://www.hipoparts.com/ford-roller-bearing-fuel-pump-eccentric-kit-w-arp-pro-series-bolt/" target="_blank" id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2767">http://www.hipoparts.com/ford-roller-bearing-fuel-pump-eccentric-kit-w-arp-pro-series-bolt/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_3377"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_3378"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Please be advised that the Cleveland and Windsor eccentrics are DIFFERENT. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_9_1386516798709_6"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div id=yiv1418678017yqtfd57978><div id=yiv1418678017yqtfd58109><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sunday, December 8, 2013 5:22 PM, Charles Engles <<a href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">cengles@cox.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv1418678017><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Jack,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Yes, they both list mechanical Cleveland pumps on their websites, but they are the of the standard plain vanilla stock type. Fine for most uses, but their gph is too modest for the planned engine. </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> DeTomaso [<a href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:jderyke@aol.com">jderyke@aol.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:DtomasoCat@aol.com">DtomasoCat@aol.com</a>; <a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Fuel Pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor blue'><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>.........My Google search shows that the only mechanical pump for a</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Cleveland engine is from Robb Mc Performance. They offer two quality </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>units.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>One supports 1100 hp and is $300! The other for lesser racers supports </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>550</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>hp and is only $200.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Google is not quite omniscent yet. Both Summit and Jegs list a 351-C mechanical pump in their current catalogues. I haven't actually called to check their stock, though. And a certain stock Ford electric fuel pump can be installed in-tank with some craftsmanship. Running inside the tank as a pusher, vapor lock is a thing of the past and in-tank pumps run very quietly. I cannot say that about the two brands of external electric pumps I've used in the past though!. My Ford in-tank pump has been working for 7 years now and requires zero tank mods but some work on the stock sender. FWIW- J Deryke<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: DtomasoCat <<a href="mailto:DtomasoCat@aol.com" target="_blank">DtomasoCat@aol.com</a>><br>To: detomaso <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com" target="_blank">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 7:35 am<br>Subject: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Fuel Pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1418678017AOLMsgPart_0_d2f91fbe-6408-4a54-9d6f-afcd22ba5f42"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Dear Forum,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>.........My Google search shows that the only mechanical pump for <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> a</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Cleveland engine is from Robb Mc Performance. They offer two quality </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>units.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>One supports 1100 hp and is $300! The other for lesser racers supports </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>550</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>hp and is only $200. </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Unless there is an overlooked source or stock of unwanted and</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>unsold hipo <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> Cleveland fuel pumps out there, I will shortly be ordering a</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>very serious fuel pump.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Chuck,</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>If you would like to consider a second option you might want to look into </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>an electric fuel pump. Simple to install and you don't need a huge pump<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>either (no matter what anyone says). I installed a standard "universal" </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>electric fuel pump many years ago that I purchased from Autozone for something </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>like $49. It is compact in size (less than 2" in diameter and 2" in </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>length) but feeds plenty of fuel. My engine dynoed at 540hp and it is run </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>quite </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>"spiritedly" and has no issues whatsoever with fuel starvation. Oh, the </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>pump is feeding a Demon 750 double pumper.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Your mileage will vary.</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Jim</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Detomaso Forum Managed by<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> POCA</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>DeTomaso mailing list</span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com" target="_blank">DeTomaso@poca.com</a></span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a></span></tt><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br><br>DeTomaso mailing list<br><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com" target="_blank">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><br><a href="http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com" target="_blank">http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>