<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div id="yiv1418678017"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv1418678017"><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2579"><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2578" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_9_1386516798709_5"><span id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2577">Chuck,</span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_28482"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div
id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_28503"><span id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_28506">I've been running the Robb Mc Performance 550HP fuel pump for a few years and couldn't be more pleased. </span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_31921"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_31923"><span id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_31922">I don't know what the spring pressure they use and how it compares to the stock pump but seems to be a bit stronger. This could lead to the eccentric drive on the cam gear. I had the cam drive pin fail earlier in the year. The base of the eccentric was bowed a bit. The end
result was that the drive pin failed and some carnage in the engine (2 broken valves). Fortunately the block was ok and the heads needed 2 new valve seats. </span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_37901"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_37900"><span id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386516798709_37899">At one time there was a solid eccentric made but I have not been able to locate one. There is also a roller bearing eccentric: <a id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_2767" href="http://www.hipoparts.com/ford-roller-bearing-fuel-pump-eccentric-kit-w-arp-pro-series-bolt/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.hipoparts.com/ford-roller-bearing-fuel-pump-eccentric-kit-w-arp-pro-series-bolt/</a></span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_3377"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div
id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_3378"><span id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1386545325532_3384">Please be advised
that the Cleveland and Windsor eccentrics are DIFFERENT. </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Mark</span></div><div id="yiv1418678017yui_3_13_0_ym1_9_1386516798709_6" style="display: none;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div id="yiv1418678017yqtfd57978"><div class="yiv1418678017yqt2648544602" id="yiv1418678017yqtfd58109"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, December 8, 2013 5:22 PM, Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> wrote:<br clear="none">
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#yiv1418678017 </style><div><div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Jack,</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Yes, they both list mechanical Cleveland pumps on their websites, but they are the of the standard plain vanilla stock
type. Fine for most uses, but their gph is too modest for the planned engine. </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div><b><span>From:</span></b><span> DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>jderyke@aol.com<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:15 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> DtomasoCat@aol.com; detomaso@poca.com<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Fuel Pumps</span></div></div><div> </div><div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentColor currentColor currentColor blue; padding:
0in 0in 0in 2pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">.........My Google search shows that the only mechanical pump for a</span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">Cleveland engine is from Robb Mc Performance. They offer two quality </span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">units.</span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">One supports 1100 hp and is $300! The other for lesser racers supports </span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">550</span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style="color: black;">hp and is only $200.</span></tt><span style="color: black;"></span></pre></blockquote></div><div><div><span style="color: black;">Google is
not quite omniscent yet. Both Summit and Jegs list a 351-C mechanical pump in their current catalogues. I haven't actually called to check their stock, though. And a certain stock Ford electric fuel pump can be installed in-tank with some craftsmanship. Running inside the tank as a pusher, vapor lock is a thing of the past and in-tank pumps run very quietly. I cannot say that about the two brands of external electric pumps I've used in the past though!. My Ford in-tank pump has been working for 7 years now and requires zero tank mods but some work on the stock sender. FWIW- J Deryke</span></div></div><div><div><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div><span style="color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="color: black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: DtomasoCat <<a href="mailto:DtomasoCat@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:DtomasoCat@aol.com">DtomasoCat@aol.com</a>><br clear="none">To: detomaso <<a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 7:35 am<br clear="none">Subject: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Fuel Pumps</span></div><div id="yiv1418678017AOLMsgPart_0_d2f91fbe-6408-4a54-9d6f-afcd22ba5f42"><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Dear Forum,</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">.........My Google search shows that the only mechanical pump for
a</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Cleveland engine is from Robb Mc Performance. They offer two quality </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">units.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">One supports 1100 hp and is $300! The other for lesser racers supports </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">550</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">hp and is only $200. </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Unless there is an overlooked source or stock of unwanted and</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">unsold hipo
Cleveland fuel pumps out there, I will shortly be ordering a</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">very serious fuel pump.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Warmest regards, Chuck Engles</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Chuck,</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">If you would like to consider a second option you might want to look into </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">an electric fuel pump. Simple to install and you don't need a huge pump
</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">either (no matter what anyone says). I installed a standard "universal" </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">electric fuel pump many years ago that I purchased from Autozone for something </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">like $49. It is compact in size (less than 2" in diameter and 2" in </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">length) but feeds plenty of fuel. My engine dynoed at 540hp and it is run </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">quite </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">"spiritedly" and has no issues whatsoever with fuel starvation. Oh, the </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:
white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">pump is feeding a Demon 750 double pumper.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Your mileage will vary.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Jim</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">_______________________________________________</span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;"> </span></tt></pre><pre style="background: white;"><tt><span style="color: black;">Detomaso Forum Managed by
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