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Dan<br>
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Your showing your age with the Mary quip. :^)<br>
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JT<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2013 2:35 PM, Dan Courtney
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The grease attracting grit is
likely an issue, since I went into the gravel on turn one at
Willow Springs the week before. (I gotta remember to warm up
those 15" wide slicks before trying to set my best time).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm going to R&R the whole
shift linkage assembly and clean it real good.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The biggest difference I see
between Mike and Mary's advice seems to be applying grease to
the trunnion bearing. Since it's a distinct possibility I
might have another unintended off-road adventure I'll try it
first without grease.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dan</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dan Courtney<br>
24 Years of Excellent Representation<br>
Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services<br>
La Jolla, CA<br>
(858) 551-5455 P<br>
(858) 551-5456 F</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:34 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Shifter fix</div>
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My experience with improving stiff shifter movement is different
than the honorable and well intentioned Mr. Drew.<br>
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1) It is easy to remove the shifter assembly from the car. Do so,
disassemble it, clean and reassemble with lightweight engine
assembly lube. 00 weight I think. I disagree with Mike regarding
removal of the centering spring as it presents no problem to
shifting when properly lubricated. You will be surprised at how
much dirt has collected in the rather protected area. That and
hardened grease are the enemy, not the spring and centering
detent. On many cars, the dirt acting as a grit has grooved the
surface that the detent is supposed to glide upon. If you are
handy, you can repair this surface with sanding and polishing. If
you are incapable of the task, this is a circumstance where
removing the spring and detent may be a better solution. <br>
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2) The biggest obstacle to smooth shaft movement is the collection
of hardened grease and dirt in the accordion gasket and on the
shaft where the shaft passes through the firewall. If you can
clean that gasket out as well as the area of the shaft that passes
through it, you will be amazed at the improvement. Any permanent
lubrication added here will work for a limited time as it is such
a dirty environment. I recommend no lubrication or the occasional
spray of WD40 which will help keep the surface clean. This is my
first go to spot when someone complains of stiff shifting and it
corrects most of the problem almost every time.<br>
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3) Same approach with the trunion. No grease, keep shifter shaft
clean with occasional spray of WD40. Any lube will attract dirt
on the first drive and that will behave as sandpaper wearing the
bushing even faster. The WD40 acts as a cleaning agent before it
evaporates away and is not longer a dirt magnet.<br>
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Happy Thanksgiving<br>
J, happy shifter, T<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2013 3:09 AM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>
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In a message dated 11/27/13 10 41 3, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:dan@excaliburre.com">dan@excaliburre.com</a>
writes:<br>
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cite="" type="CITE"><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">At the track Sunday we removed the
snap ring, the cover plate and an extremely rusty and
crusty spring. I thought that was the whole assembly but
now I see there's a cylinder at the bottom of the shaft.
I'll try and pry this up and out.</font><font
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>>>It's probably not acting much on the system, but
you might as well ditch it too.<br>
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cite="" type="CITE"><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">> Between removing the spring and
spraying WD 40 on the trunnion bearing The Beast shifter
much better, for about ten laps, then went back to the
stage where I'm having to force it into gear (mainly 2nd
and 3rd).</font><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
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>>>WD40 is way, way too light for this task. It
wasn't even originally designed to be a lubricant; it's a
water displacement fluid (WD). Only secondarily did they
discover that it was pretty good at eliminating squeaks in
door hinges and the like.<br>
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But what you need is grease, not WD.<br>
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cite="" type="CITE"><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">> I was wondering if the gear oil
was breaking down due to heat. My next planned post was to
ask for advice on gear oil.</font><font family="SANSSERIF"
color="#000000" face="Geneva" size="2"><br>
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>>>Not a chance. :>)<br>
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cite="" type="CITE"><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">> I suppose it's also possible
the WD-40 wore out.</font><font family="SANSSERIF"
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>>>Really, it's the wrong tool for the job. I use
aerosol lithium grease, and it needs redoing every now and
again.<br>
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cite="" type="CITE"><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">> By the way, the "roval" at
California Speedway is perfect for Panteras. It consists
of an infield course with all kinds of turns and 1/2 the
banked oval the NASCAR boys use. What a blast it was
running up that bank at 160+!</font><font
family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000" face="Geneva" size="2"><br>
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<font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000" face="Geneva"
size="2">>>>I've had a ride there as a
passenger--awesome!<br>
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Mike<br>
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