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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>My prior insurer was American Classic, but I got comparative quotes from Hagerty, Heacock, Grundy and a couple others.<BR> <BR>As with all insurers rates are dependent on their perceived risk; i.e. your ZIP code, your insurability & record, credit score etc.<BR> <BR>I urge you to give them a call and find out for yourself, hopefully you'll be as pleasantly surprised as I was.<BR> <BR>Julian<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; asajay@asajay.com; detomaso@poca.com<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance increase<br>From: pantdino@aol.com<br>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:53:00 -0500<br><br><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">
<div>What is BJ's insurance per $1000 value rate, and who was your prior insurer?</div>
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<div>Jim</div>
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<div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com><br>
To: asajay <asajay@asajay.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com><br>
Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:45 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance increase<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Asa Jay,<br>
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I think Michael Shortt already made an endorsement for the Barrett Jackson endorsed insurance, which is underwritten by Chartis. I would second that endorsement and for the last 3 years I have had 5 cars insured through them and halved my annual insurance bill to my prior provider. They truly are customer service oriented and a call or e-mail is usually responded to in less than 24 hours.<br>
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Julian<br>
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<hr>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:36:46 -0800<br>
From: <a href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance increase<br>
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Well.... it would seem that Hagerty has some "feelers" into the
DeTomaso email forum.<br>
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I got an unsolicited phone call from them today. The person who
spoke with me had seen an email trail... and mentioned "Mike Drew."
I don't think Mike was the source, but that was the clue they
probably have eyes into this list. It's the -only- place I've made
any comment, and as I recall... never mentioned their name, until
now. Of course Mike Drew hit the nail on the head when he said I'd
been "Hagerty'ed."<br>
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Anyway... they wanted to make sure I understood why the change was
so big and wanted to ask me questions about the "modifications,"
probably to see if they could re-classify it as stock in order to
reduce my yearly cost. Well, it seems 50 HP over stock may be the
magic number (not to mention my other mods). There was no dispute
that it classified as a modified vehicle.<br>
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Then he talked about possible rate reductions if I increased my
deductible. Let's just say what was offered would have taken me 20
years to save in order to meet the deductible. Umm... oh heck, it
was take $50 of the yearly rate if you go with a $1,000 deductible.
Gee, really???? WOW! .... no thanks, I can do math in my head.<br>
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I think I'll just get quotes from some of the others insurance
vendors. Since I know Hagerty will probably get a copy of this...
um... yea... they need to offer me a sweeter deal than that.<br>
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:)<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 11/19/2013 6:57 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
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Possibly. -that- as Mike pointed out, was the primary factor that
increased the value. When I said the modified engine was maybe 50
HP more than stock, he said that qualified for "modified." And
then there was the non-stock radiator, non-stock shocks...<br>
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Asa<br>
<pre class="ecxmoz-signature">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 11/19/2013 6:19 PM, Mike Thomas wrote:
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 11pt;">That brings up an interesting
question: how modified is modified? I’ve been with
Hagerty since I bought the Pantera. The body is stock,
but the engine, suspension, wheels/tires, seats, etc. are
certainly not stock. Am I setting myself up for a denial
of claim if something were to happen?</span></div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;">Mike
Thomas</span></b></div>
<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 9pt;">VP, POCA</span></b></div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 9pt;">Yellow ’74 #6328</span></b></div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 11pt;"> DeTomaso
[<a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com">mailto:detomaso-bounces@poca.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Drew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Asa Jay Laughton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:detomaso@poca.com">detomaso@poca.com</a><br>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal">AJ,</div>
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Hagerty'ed. </div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal">Hagerty hates modified cars. When I was
shopping they told me my rate would be triple their normal
rate just because I had a fire system and aftermarket seat
belts--both things that would potentially reduce their
exposure!</div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal">Shop around. I am with heacock and my
rates are very reasonable. I just raised my coverage and
costs increase was minimal. </div>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal">Mike</div>
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On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:23, "Asa Jay Laughton"<<a href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>
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<div class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: ;">Hey all,<br>
I recently changed the policy on my Pantera. I'm
still with the same company, but I increased the
agreed value based on recent market conditions and
on-line valuation tools. I also changed it from
stock to modified.<br>
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The surprise in all this is that my cost for the
policy more than tripled. I was a bit stunned when
I figured it all out.<br>
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Have you reviewed -your- policy recently to make
sure you are adequately covered?<br>
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Asa Jay<br>
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</span><i><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10.5pt;">Sent using Jedi mind tricks.</span></i><span style="font-family: ;"></span></div>
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