The only reason I can think of to install front ac is if you are running 180 degree headers. It will be more expensive and difficult to install front AC. I have just upgraded my ac. I installed a Sandeen 7 cylinder rotary compressor ( the 7 cylinder has a slightly higher displacement the the Sandeen 5 series compressor And is capable of putting out more cooling then the 5 ( make sure you purchase an authentic Sandeen compressor and not a Sandeen "type". The next thing is to get a parrellel flow condenser ( this is a more modern , more efficient , and more effective condenser then the old original serpitine condenser. You will need a dryer and it should be setup to use either a binary or trinary compressor cutoff switch. The stock Pantera ac did not have a cut off switch. These cut off the compressor when the freon. Gets over pressure which is the most common cause of burning out you compressor. A binary switch cuts off in over pressure situations and a Trinary cuts off both over pressure and low pressure ( which is caused by running the compressor with no freon and will result in the compressor burning up. The switch Plugs right into the dryer and the switches are wired to the compressor. The only other issue should be the hoses. The Pantera originally ran it's ac on R12, you will want to run the new set up on R134 you must specify what refrigerant you are going to use when purchasing the compressor , condenser and hoses because the fittings are different. People say you can't get cold ac in a rear mounted ac in a Pantera doing over 70 mph. My setup pumps out air at 38 degrees F when it's 90 F outside and I am crusing at 75 mph. <div>
Besides using a serpentine condenser , I also used a bigger condenser and twin high capacity fans. There's no point in going through all the trouble if your not going to have a system that actually makes cold air.</div>
<div>Boyd</div><div>One more thing . I would definitely steer away from recommending front ac to a guy in the UK. MY. Set up proves that it's possible to get cold AC with a slightly modified ( modernized ) setup. A front setup is going to a a custom installation and you don't know what kind of facilities this guy will have in the UK. With a basically stock setup he can get it running using the original service manual. have you heard of KISS ( keep it simple stupid) when trying to sell a car the more choices you give a customer the more chances there are to screw up the deal. Tell him if he wants ac you can provide the components for him at his expense ( as you indicated) don't even mention front vs rear installation.</div>
<div>Just my two cents 25 plus years in retail automobile management and owner of a Pantera with ice cold ac I installed ( with the help of advice from Bill Gaino)<br><br>On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Ian Hannington wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">Mike wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">I would make sure you have a deal in hand before you spend any money, however.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">Heck Yeah!!! You must think us folk up here are stooooooped! </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">Seriously though, it is only my intention to provide him with advice and let him know what the cost of the parts would be. I also told him that he could have the parts shipped to me and I would throw them in the trunk and ship them along with the car if he ends up purchasing it. That would save him $350 in shipping charges. I have no intention of purchasing the parts myself or installing them<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">I am the seller and looking to gain money not spend it, but at the same time, I am not a A-hole and am willing to help any potential buyer with advice or assistance, because at the end of the day, I want the buyer of my car to be as happy (or happier) with the car as I have been over the years.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">Thanks for the info and I will pass it along.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">Ian</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'MikeLDrew@aol.com');" target="_blank">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'MikeLDrew@aol.com');" target="_blank">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 03, 2013 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com');" target="_blank">jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com</a>; <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'charlesmccall@gmail.com');" target="_blank">charlesmccall@gmail.com</a>; <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ihannington286720mi@comcast.net');" target="_blank">ihannington286720mi@comcast.net</a>; <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'detomaso@poca.com');" target="_blank">detomaso@poca.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DeTomaso] Front mount A/C<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><br>
In a message dated 11/3/13 6 49 10, <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com');" target="_blank">jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com</a> writes:<br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif"">As a seller, you may be better going to the stock location as I doubt any buyers would view that as a negative element of their buying decision while someone looking for a car that they could easily revert back to stock in the future may see it as a negative. My point being that your universe of buyers may be larger with stock location.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Geneva","serif""><br><br>>>>I think it all depends on the nature of the car. If the car is a true concours original example, then retaining an original setup is paramount. But if a car has already been subjected to a number of modifications/improvements (as Ian's car has), then the potential for superior performance would trump originality. If the cost delta is relatively little, you'd probably be better off going for a front-mounted system, as you could advertise that it blows COLD, rather than a stock system, where perhaps at best you could identify that it's THERE.<br>
<br>Too, you already have a Fluidyne radiator and sucker fans, so you're well on the way. Bobby Byars sells a drop-in setup consisting of a condensor to go in front of the Fluidyne radiator, plus all necessary hoses, dryer, etc. making it a pretty straightforward installation.<br>
<br>At the end of the day though, you have to ask yourself if the increased cost would be offset by a higher selling price. The answer is probably no. If profit is all you're after, you're probably better off selling the car as-is and letting the buyer sort it out. Or alternately, selling the car as-is, letting the buyer then pay for the additional A/C components himself, and perhaps you get the stuff installed and sorted out here before it goes to him.<br>
<br>I would make sure you have a deal in hand before you spend any money, however.<br><br>Mike</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div>