[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

George B gkb1968 at hotmail.com
Sat Jun 15 16:29:25 EDT 2024


Hi Stephen,

I really like the look of your spreader bar. How does it preload? Where did you get it?

Thanks,
George

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of steve snclocks.com <steve at snclocks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 10:36:41 AM
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Way back when I installed a custom-made 8 qt oil pan as part of the engine build for our car.  The long dip-stick made no sense, so I added a side entry to the back of the right side of the pan and installed the dipstick there.  You can see the "T" handle to the back of the cylinder head.  Works fine.   Another significant improvement was the installation of a freon addition connection to the left end of the aluminum fender brace - makes it a lot easier to add freon - which, to my simple mind, means one won't need to add freon as often, or ever.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 7:37 PM
To: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

I called them but they were no help and said they couldn't do anything for me.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
Date: 6/14/24 2:59 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>, DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Long ago Lokar used to make custom dip sticks .
 https://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html<https://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html><https://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html%3Chttps://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html%3E>



On Jun 14, 2024, at 1:00 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

Chris,

Don’t remove the rivets. Just have the stick welded or brazed also.

Belt and suspenders….

Mike

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 14, 2024, at 08:54, Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:

   The rivets are installed in such a way as to make the top if the
 dipstick slightly crooked, and I'm worried removing them and trying to  braze the dipstick would weaken it at the point it needs to be  strongest.  Plus, I can't think of anywhere I could take it to be  brazed that I would trust to do a good job.  Most of the shops I've  taken my car to lately have been a bit careless.  Plus, it would be  nice to have an extra one as a spare, just in case!

 Sincerely,

 Chris
   __________________________________________________________________

 From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:48 AM
 To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Thomas Tornblom  <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

 Chris,
 What was wrong with your existing dipstick, other than being riveted?
 I'd just braze the two overlapping edges and call it good.
 Julian
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 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of  Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:46 AM
 To: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

 Thank you.  I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick  itself, however.
 I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.
 Sincerely,
 Chris
 ________________________________
 From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
 To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
 <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball  <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan  This is my dipstick and tube.
 I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it was  more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost  somewhere.
 I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the  tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi  sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.
 I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they were  about $10 each at the audi dealer.
 Cheers,
 Thomas
 Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
  FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves,  only
  with the tube, which I don't want to replace.  I asked if I  bought the
  set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in  the
  kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer  was
  no.

  Sincerely,

  Chris

 __________________________________________________________________

  From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
  To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
  <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

  I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the  correct
  length.
  Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
  Thomas
13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:

  Mike,
From which part of cup, top or bottom?
Bud

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
  DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chris,
The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
  dipstick
chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two  halves.
You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the  same
  thing
done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and  transfer
  it
over.
Or, they can just fix your existing one.
It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:

i>>?  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted
 together, and
the full
level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm  worried the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one  can order a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?
 That
would
alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks  to be on the dipstick.

Sincerely,

Chris

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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
 on
behalf of
Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and  squeezing oil into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at  the end of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in  relation to the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally  valid for the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that  mark.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
 on
behalf of
Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
 <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan Hi Mike, I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the  arse in either case.  No pun intended.
Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was referring to the Cleveland pan?
I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an  aftermarket dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get  oil to show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when  driving.
We
drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a  stock pan, then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the  aftermarket dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can  easily cut and braze back together.
I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts, and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for  that pan.
I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a  correct amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
Thank you,
Asa  Jay
Sent via radio waves
On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
  wrote:

AJ,

I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9  quarts while the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?

Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick  setup.

The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
  either
verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.

Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember  that number.

If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just  buy a standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily,  fill the motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the  custom Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.

Mike



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On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

All,

On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:

[1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S

[2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at  Replacement Parts | Page 3 of 3 [3]aviaid.com [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]

Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the  shape that it should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have experience with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed  and I don't know if it's been calibrated properly.

If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full  on a stock dipstick?

Thank you,

Asa  Jay

Sent via radio waves

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   Hi Stephen,

   I really like the look of your spreader bar. How does it preload? Where
   did you get it?

   Thanks,

   George

   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   steve snclocks.com <steve at snclocks.com>
   Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 10:36:41 AM
   To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

   Way back when I installed a custom-made 8 qt oil pan as part of the
   engine build for our car.  The long dip-stick made no sense, so I added
   a side entry to the back of the right side of the pan and installed the
   dipstick there.  You can see the "T" handle to the back of the cylinder
   head.  Works fine.   Another significant improvement was the
   installation of a freon addition connection to the left end of the
   aluminum fender brace - makes it a lot easier to add freon - which, to
   my simple mind, means one won't need to add freon as often, or ever.
   Stephen
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
   Christopher Kimball
   Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 7:37 PM
   To: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   I called them but they were no help and said they couldn't do anything
   for me.
   Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
   smartphone
   -------- Original message --------
   From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
   Date: 6/14/24 2:59 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>,
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   Long ago Lokar used to make custom dip sticks .
    [2]https://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html<https://www.lokar.com/tr
   ans-dipsticks.html>
   On Jun 14, 2024, at 1:00PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   Chris,
   Don't remove the rivets. Just have the stick welded or brazed also.
   Belt and suspenders....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Jun 14, 2024, at 08:54, Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
   wrote:
      The rivets are installed in such a way as to make the top if the
    dipstick slightly crooked, and I'm worried removing them and trying
   to  braze the dipstick would weaken it at the point it needs to be
   strongest.  Plus, I can't think of anywhere I could take it to be
   brazed that I would trust to do a good job.  Most of the shops I've
   taken my car to lately have been a bit careless.  Plus, it would be
   nice to have an extra one as a spare, just in case!
    Sincerely,
    Chris
      __________________________________________________________________
    From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:48 AM
    To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Thomas Tornblom
   <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
    Chris,
    What was wrong with your existing dipstick, other than being riveted?
    I'd just braze the two overlapping edges and call it good.
    Julian
      __________________________________________________________________
    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of  Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
    Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:46 AM
    To: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
    Thank you.  I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick
   itself, however.
    I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.
    Sincerely,
    Chris
    ________________________________
    From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
    Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
    To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball
   <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan  This is my dipstick and
   tube.
    I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it
   was  more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly
   lost  somewhere.
    I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the
   tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi
   sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.
    I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they
   were  about $10 each at the audi dealer.
    Cheers,
    Thomas
    Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
     FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves,
   only
     with the tube, which I don't want to replace.  I asked if I  bought
   the
     set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in  the
     kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer  was
     no.
     Sincerely,
     Chris
    __________________________________________________________________
     From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
     Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
     To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
     Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
     <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
     I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the
   correct
     length.
     Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
     Thomas
   13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
     Mike,
   From which part of cup, top or bottom?
   Bud
   On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
     DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   Chris,
   The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
     dipstick
   chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two  halves.
   You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the  same
     thing
   done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and  transfer
     it
   over.
   Or, they can just fix your existing one.
   It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
   <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
   i>>?  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted
    together, and
   the full
   level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm  worried
   the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one  can order
   a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?
    That
   would
   alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks  to be on
   the dipstick.
   Sincerely,
   Chris
    __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
    on
   behalf of
   Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
   To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
   <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and  squeezing
   oil into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at  the
   end of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
   assembly.
   If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in  relation
   to the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally  valid
   for the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that  mark.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
    on
   behalf of
   Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
    <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
   To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan Hi Mike, I agree on both
   methods.  They are of course a pain in the  arse in either case.  No
   pun intended.
   Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
   referring to the Cleveland pan?
   I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an  aftermarket
   dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get  oil to
   show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when  driving.
   We
   drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a  stock
   pan, then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
   In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the  aftermarket
   dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
   The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can  easily cut
   and braze back together.
   I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
   and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for  that pan.
   I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a  correct
   amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
   Thank you,
   Asa  Jay
   Sent via radio waves
   On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     wrote:
   AJ,
   I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9  quarts while
   the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
   Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick  setup.
   The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
     either
   verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
   Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember  that
   number.
   If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just  buy a
   standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily,  fill the
   motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the  custom
   Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
   <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   All,
   On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
   [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
   [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at  Replacement
   Parts | Page 3 of 3 [3]aviaid.com [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
   Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the  shape that
   it should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have
   experience with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed
   and I don't know if it's been calibrated properly.
   If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full  on a stock
   dipstick?
   Thank you,
   Asa  Jay
   Sent via radio waves
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