[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Paul A Rimov rimovp at gmail.com
Fri Jun 14 17:58:49 EDT 2024


   Long ago Lokar used to make custom dip sticks .

   [1] https://www.lokar.com/trans-dipsticks.html

     On Jun 14, 2024, at 1:00PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

   Chris,
   Don't remove the rivets. Just have the stick welded or brazed also.
   Belt and suspenders....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 14, 2024, at 08:54, Christopher Kimball
     <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:

       The rivets are installed in such a way as to make the top if the

      dipstick slightly crooked, and I'm worried removing them and trying
     to

      braze the dipstick would weaken it at the point it needs to be

      strongest.  Plus, I can't think of anywhere I could take it to be

      brazed that I would trust to do a good job.  Most of the shops I've

      taken my car to lately have been a bit careless.  Plus, it would be

      nice to have an extra one as a spare, just in case!

      Sincerely,

      Chris

        _________________________________________________________________
     _

      From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>

      Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:48 AM

      To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Thomas Tornblom

      <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

      <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

      Chris,

      What was wrong with your existing dipstick, other than being
     riveted?

      I'd just braze the two overlapping edges and call it good.

      Julian

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      From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     of

      Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>

      Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:46 AM

      To: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>;
     detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

      <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

      Thank you.  I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick

      itself, however.

      I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.

      Sincerely,

      Chris

      ________________________________

      From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>

      Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM

      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

      <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball

      <chrisvkimball at msn.com>

      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

      This is my dipstick and tube.

      I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it
     was

      more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost

      somewhere.

      I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off
     the

      tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The
     Audi

      sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.

      I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they
     were

      about $10 each at the audi dealer.

      Cheers,

      Thomas

      Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:

       FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves,

      only

       with the tube, which I don't want to replace.  I asked if I

      bought the

       set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in

      the

       kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer

      was

       no.

       Sincerely,

       Chris

      __________________________________________________________________

       From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>

       Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM

       To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>

       Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew

       <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List

       <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

       I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the

      correct

       length.

       Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.

       Thomas

     13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso

       <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:

       Mike,

     From which part of cup, top or bottom?

     Bud

     On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via

       DeTomaso

     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

     Chris,

     The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang

       dipstick

     chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two

      halves.

     You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the

      same

       thing

     done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and

      transfer

       it

     over.

     Or, they can just fix your existing one.

     It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.

     Mike

     Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball

     <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:

     i>>?  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted

      together, and

     the full

     level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm

      worried

     the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one

      can

     order

     a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?

      That

     would

     alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks

      to be

     on

     the dipstick.

     Sincerely,

     Chris

      __________________________________________________________________

     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>

      on

     behalf of

     Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>

     Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM

     To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton

     <[5]asajay at asajay.com>

     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

     Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and

      squeezing

     oil

     into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at

      the

     end

     of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating

     assembly.

     If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in

      relation

     to

     the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally

      valid for

     the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that

      mark.

     Julian

     ________________________________

     From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>

      on

     behalf of

     Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso

      <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

     Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM

     To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>

     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

     Hi Mike,

     I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the

      arse in

     either case.  No pun intended.

     Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was

     referring to the Cleveland pan?

     I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an

      aftermarket

     dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get

      oil to

     show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when

      driving.

     We

     drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a

      stock

     pan,

     then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.

     In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the

      aftermarket

     dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level

     concrete.

     The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can

      easily cut

     and

     braze back together.

     I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five

     quarts,

     and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for

      that pan.

     I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a

      correct

     amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other

     methods.

     Thank you,

     Asa  Jay

     Sent via radio waves

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>

       wrote:

     AJ,

     I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9

      quarts

     while

     the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?

     Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick

      setup.

     The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and

       either

     verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.

     Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember

      that

     number.

     If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just

      buy a

     standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily,

      fill

     the

     motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the

      custom

     Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.

     Mike

     Sent from my iPad

     On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso

     <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

     All,

     On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:

     [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S

     [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at

      Replacement

     Parts | Page 3 of 3

     [3]aviaid.com

     [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]

     Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the

      shape

     that it

     should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have

     experience

     with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed

      and I

     don't

     know if it's been calibrated properly.

     If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full

      on a

     stock

     dipstick?

     Thank you,

     Asa  Jay

     Sent via radio waves

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      5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com

      6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

      7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com

      8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

      9. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com

     10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

     11. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com

     12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

     13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com

     14. https://na01.safel/

     15. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html

     16. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html

     17. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html

     18. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html

     19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

     20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com

     21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

     22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com

     23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

     24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

     25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

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