[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Christopher Kimball
ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Fri Jun 14 11:54:01 EDT 2024
The rivets are installed in such a way as to make the top if the dipstick slightly crooked, and I'm worried removing them and trying to braze the dipstick would weaken it at the point it needs to be strongest. Plus, I can't think of anywhere I could take it to be brazed that I would trust to do a good job. Most of the shops I've taken my car to lately have been a bit careless. Plus, it would be nice to have an extra one as a spare, just in case!
Sincerely,
Chris
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:48 AM
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
What was wrong with your existing dipstick, other than being riveted? I'd just braze the two overlapping edges and call it good.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:46 AM
To: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Thank you. I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick itself, however.
I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.
Sincerely,
Chris
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From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
This is my dipstick and tube.
I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it was
more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost
somewhere.
I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the
tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi
sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.
I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they were
about $10 each at the audi dealer.
Cheers,
Thomas
Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
> FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves, only
> with the tube, which I don't want to replace. I asked if I bought the
> set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in the
> kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer was
> no.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
> To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the correct
> length.
> Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
> Thomas
> > 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> >
> > Mike,
> > From which part of cup, top or bottom?
> > Bud
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > Chris,
> > The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
> dipstick
> > chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
> > You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
> thing
> > done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
> it
> > over.
> > Or, they can just fix your existing one.
> > It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
> >> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> i>>? My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and
> > the full
> >> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm worried
> >> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
> > order
> >> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
> > would
> >> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
> > on
> >> the dipstick.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> > behalf of
> >> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
> > <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
> >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> >>
> >> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
> > oil
> >> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
> > end
> >> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
> > assembly.
> >> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation
> > to
> >> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
> >> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
> >> Julian
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> > behalf of
> >> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> >> Hi Mike,
> >> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
> >> either case. No pun intended.
> >> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
> >> referring to the Cleveland pan?
> >> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
> >> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
> >> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
> > We
> >> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
> > pan,
> >> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
> >> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
> >> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
> > concrete.
> >> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
> > and
> >> braze back together.
> >> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
> > quarts,
> >> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
> >> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
> >> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
> > methods.
> >> Thank you,
> >> Asa Jay
> >> Sent via radio waves
> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> AJ,
> >>>
> >>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
> > while
> >> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
> >>>
> >>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
> >>>
> >>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
> either
> >> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
> >> number.
> >>>
> >>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
> >> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
> > the
> >> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
> >> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
> >> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
> >>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
> >>>> [3]aviaid.com
> >>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
> >>>>
> >>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
> >> that it
> >>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
> >> experience
> >>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
> >> don't
> >>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
> >> stock
> >>>> dipstick?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> Asa Jay
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent via radio waves
> >>>>
> >>>> References
> >>>>
> >>>> Visible links
> >>>> 1. tel:155-55367
> >>>> 2.
> >>
> >
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> >>
> >
> inks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2
> >>
> >
> Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C230df4048e4045ae3fe408
> >>
> >
> dc8a59a36c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638537364822163
> >>
> >
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> 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gmT2w8zX3MIqQdwaahfF89a4OUVh
> >> juhKSNdmRtm%2F%2FZc%3D&reserved=0>
> >>>>
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> >>>
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> >> References
> >>
> >> 1.
> >
> [15]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770893539%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zIi8vV8AIljk0lUutsW9ZTmEYlJnRjrrLdT4n2Vj%2FZs%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
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> ata=gI6fPJpYsQQN%2FmkKZXtrxVBN%2Fx%2B6hPuefwtZrr0X7Gs%3D&reserved=0
> >> 2.
> >
> [16]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770899165%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DdG7f2PGyDw9jvxDSgJUWsrxSRcsMw6Td4Gv4N2Ozl8%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895329901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4
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> ata=U5TJ8679EK9Tbi9JKfcIRuUlNf5fWDXEny7HfPjcrss%3D&reserved=0
> >> 3.
> >
> [17]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770903269%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1W5BqkvEWXrd1oouKLMi2YHQzcSaJcXixpJ6kqZKLy8%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
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> ata=p6pEpyE9eujvA5FGCIvZ3RGqBsgDAAbqL8sJm%2BpGJzE%3D&reserved=0
> >> 4.
> >
> [18]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770907228%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IvTJlEb%2BAuFEg92qGXTO6F58bHykuOUKp6dImU1ogXY%3D&reserved=0
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> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
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> ata=odqVXcaEyoY3SoypbfJu2xNSn3QYJUzoYu9aBbPDLy8%3D&reserved=0
> >> 5.
> [19]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770911279%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Z0JbASqt7yFnhIpue8q7w4bkiuwTgiG1trw4C1zZyeM%3D&reserved=0
> ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C
> 5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C638538512895337787%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
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> H9kxvanhh%2Bgs010T7fNaBBIXVUYLGKx2T3Q3o%3D&reserved=0
> >> _______________________________________________
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> [21]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770915256%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LcNLAXUPTbgA%2BlOzP4ekO9qDoaab48YKgQ8JNbpyG5s%3D&reserved=0
> ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C
> 5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C638538512895340345%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
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> oLscG%2FH%2FxUP1BE0OpU%2F074r3LRXiakh6YtAeY%3D&reserved=0
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> [23]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770919185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HOXa7RiC6jVd4fVCdpDQlKasVncKuDzMVOHsQtpnDwA%3D&reserved=0
> ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C
> 5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C638538512895342968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
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> H4PCPe2adpLrXIGYnHWU4apBXR8XnweP9fQYk%3D&reserved=0
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> > 1. [1]mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com
> > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. [3]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 4. [4]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 5. [5]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 6. [6]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [8]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 10. [10]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 11. [11]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 12. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 13. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 14.
> [14]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fna%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770923013%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p80UE1uGCzGP0aI3H%2FMHS9JoD42ccGh7OYweWESKzdo%3D&reserved=0
> 01.safel%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e
> 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895346371%7CUnknown%7CTWF
> pbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn
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> reserved=0
> > 15.
> [15]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770926764%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BcZLXTeQpZKZ%2BQh564rl1r9Z68N2zGI0Hnh6acdB6b4%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895349172%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4
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> ata=yEvmaPay9UC9SK%2BjXoi%2Fo9QGZzJ6sZh%2FQGx0GqSfzzY%3D&reserved=0
> > 16.
> [16]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770930506%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ELORcndJGw2G2SwRgkzrtBxd34cZmuX%2FgP%2FhdsdgwXY%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895352013%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4
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> ata=bWJS3hN6EpLP8xtx9i2Y9%2Fuf7OD8bl2sf49sxJmLKHk%3D&reserved=0
> > 17.
> [17]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770934196%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BjR8GPFqar0U%2FFATcwNjTakyVShy5voFvuz6QZkxEy0%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895354698%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4
> wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sd
> ata=CHYo4YFCXymYZVEr42hTmAWHcwY%2FjBOWsGRdfJ20Zck%3D&reserved=0
> > 18.
> [18]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770937887%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VJGHm4roPbPwqfT%2Bx8VIc40Mj68GT2APXF%2FSZaOFAX8%3D&reserved=0
> iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
> 7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
> aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638538512895357376%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4
> wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sd
> ata=SxFCHSOrfm8K4NLfO2viJJEH%2Bl2EviJEnMGoxP%2F8qWg%3D&reserved=0
> > 19.
> [19]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770941619%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bJfm%2B3G%2Boq23ulXOArLwnO76ca9c2zlE2l31iui39HM%3D&reserved=0
> ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C
> 5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C638538512895360074%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
> CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3Xcyje
> pVfOHY%2B6ahuxEP%2FrGH6No%2FIJDP%2BanXYTVAnQc%3D&reserved=0
> > 20. [20]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 21.
> [21]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539767770945378%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xx8LRb3L6E3rSjM0WToxQlq1uBm57Pn7sdQm9hGzUxo%3D&reserved=0
> ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=05%7C02%7C%7C
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The rivets are installed in such a way as to make the top if the
dipstick slightly crooked, and I'm worried removing them and trying to
braze the dipstick would weaken it at the point it needs to be
strongest. Plus, I can't think of anywhere I could take it to be
brazed that I would trust to do a good job. Most of the shops I've
taken my car to lately have been a bit careless. Plus, it would be
nice to have an extra one as a spare, just in case!
Sincerely,
Chris
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:48 AM
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Thomas Tornblom
<thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
What was wrong with your existing dipstick, other than being riveted?
I'd just braze the two overlapping edges and call it good.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 8:46 AM
To: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Thank you. I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick
itself, however.
I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.
Sincerely,
Chris
________________________________
From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
This is my dipstick and tube.
I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it was
more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost
somewhere.
I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the
tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi
sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.
I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they were
about $10 each at the audi dealer.
Cheers,
Thomas
Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
> FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves,
only
> with the tube, which I don't want to replace. I asked if I
bought the
> set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in
the
> kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer
was
> no.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
> To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the
correct
> length.
> Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
> Thomas
> > 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> >
> > Mike,
> > From which part of cup, top or bottom?
> > Bud
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > Chris,
> > The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
> dipstick
> > chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two
halves.
> > You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the
same
> thing
> > done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and
transfer
> it
> > over.
> > Or, they can just fix your existing one.
> > It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
> >> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> i>>? My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted
together, and
> > the full
> >> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm
worried
> >> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one
can
> > order
> >> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?
That
> > would
> >> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks
to be
> > on
> >> the dipstick.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
__________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
> > behalf of
> >> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
> > <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
> >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> >>
> >> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and
squeezing
> > oil
> >> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at
the
> > end
> >> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
> > assembly.
> >> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
relation
> > to
> >> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally
valid for
> >> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that
mark.
> >> Julian
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
> > behalf of
> >> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> >> Hi Mike,
> >> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the
arse in
> >> either case. No pun intended.
> >> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
> >> referring to the Cleveland pan?
> >> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an
aftermarket
> >> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get
oil to
> >> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when
driving.
> > We
> >> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a
stock
> > pan,
> >> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
> >> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the
aftermarket
> >> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
> > concrete.
> >> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can
easily cut
> > and
> >> braze back together.
> >> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
> > quarts,
> >> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for
that pan.
> >> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a
correct
> >> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
> > methods.
> >> Thank you,
> >> Asa Jay
> >> Sent via radio waves
> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> AJ,
> >>>
> >>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9
quarts
> > while
> >> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
> >>>
> >>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick
setup.
> >>>
> >>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
> either
> >> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember
that
> >> number.
> >>>
> >>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just
buy a
> >> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily,
fill
> > the
> >> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the
custom
> >> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
> >> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at
Replacement
> >>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
> >>>> [3]aviaid.com
> >>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
> >>>>
> >>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the
shape
> >> that it
> >>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
> >> experience
> >>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed
and I
> >> don't
> >>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full
on a
> >> stock
> >>>> dipstick?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> Asa Jay
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent via radio waves
> >>>>
> >>>> References
> >>>>
> >>>> Visible links
> >>>> 1. tel:155-55367
> >>>> 2.
> >>
> >
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> >> 2.
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>
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> >> 3.
> >
>
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> ata=p6pEpyE9eujvA5FGCIvZ3RGqBsgDAAbqL8sJm%2BpGJzE%3D&reserved=0
> >> 4.
> >
>
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> ata=odqVXcaEyoY3SoypbfJu2xNSn3QYJUzoYu9aBbPDLy8%3D&reserved=0
> >> 5.
>
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>
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>
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> > 2. [2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. [3]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 4. [4]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 5. [5]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> > 6. [6]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [8]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 10. [10]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 11. [11]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> > 12. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 13. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 14.
>
[14]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fna
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> reserved=0
> > 15.
>
[15]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav
%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640
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>
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>
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> > 16.
>
[16]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav
%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640
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>
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>
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> ata=bWJS3hN6EpLP8xtx9i2Y9%2Fuf7OD8bl2sf49sxJmLKHk%3D&reserved=0
> > 17.
>
[17]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav
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>
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> > 18.
>
[18]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav
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>
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> > 19.
>
[19]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser
%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C3abbad5710bd4637a91208dc8c891d25%7C84df9e7fe9f640
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>
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>
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> pVfOHY%2B6ahuxEP%2FrGH6No%2FIJDP%2BanXYTVAnQc%3D&reserved=0
> > 20. [20]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 21.
>
[21]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser
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>
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>
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>
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> 77souDYLATFTvQxa25aSKt%2FRZXTk3aDpql7ig%3D&reserved=0
> > 22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 23.
>
[23]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser
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>
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>
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1. mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
4. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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