[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Christopher Kimball ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Fri Jun 14 11:46:01 EDT 2024


Thank you.  I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick itself, however.

I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.

Sincerely,

Chris
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From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

This is my dipstick and tube.

I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it was
more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost
somewhere.

I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the
tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi
sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.

I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they were
about $10 each at the audi dealer.

Cheers,
Thomas

Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
>     FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves, only
>     with the tube, which I don't want to replace.  I asked if I bought the
>     set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in the
>     kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer was
>     no.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Chris
>       __________________________________________________________________
>
>     From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
>     To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
>     <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
>     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
>     I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the correct
>     length.
>     Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
>     Thomas
>     > 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
>     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>     >
>     >     Mike,
>     >   From which part of cup, top or bottom?
>     >   Bud
>     >
>     >   On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
>     DeTomaso
>     >   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>     >   Chris,
>     >   The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
>     dipstick
>     >   chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
>     >   You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
>     thing
>     >   done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
>     it
>     >   over.
>     >   Or, they can just fix your existing one.
>     >   It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
>     >   Mike
>     >   Sent from my iPad
>     >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>     >>   <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> i>>?  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and
>     >   the full
>     >> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm worried
>     >> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
>     >   order
>     >> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?  That
>     >   would
>     >> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
>     >   on
>     >> the dipstick.
>     >>
>     >> Sincerely,
>     >>
>     >> Chris
>     >>   __________________________________________________________________
>     >>
>     >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>     >   behalf of
>     >> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>     >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>     >> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
>     >   <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
>     >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>     >>
>     >> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
>     >   oil
>     >> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
>     >   end
>     >> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
>     >   assembly.
>     >> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation
>     >   to
>     >> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
>     >> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>     >> Julian
>     >> ________________________________
>     >> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>     >   behalf of
>     >> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>     >> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>     >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>     >> Hi Mike,
>     >> I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the arse in
>     >> either case.  No pun intended.
>     >> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>     >> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>     >> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>     >> dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
>     >> show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
>     >   We
>     >> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
>     >   pan,
>     >> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>     >> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>     >> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
>     >   concrete.
>     >> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
>     >   and
>     >> braze back together.
>     >> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
>     >   quarts,
>     >> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
>     >> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>     >> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
>     >   methods.
>     >> Thank you,
>     >> Asa  Jay
>     >> Sent via radio waves
>     >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>     wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> AJ,
>     >>>
>     >>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
>     >   while
>     >> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>     >>>
>     >>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>     >>>
>     >>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
>     either
>     >> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>     >>>
>     >>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>     >> number.
>     >>>
>     >>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>     >> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
>     >   the
>     >> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>     >> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>     >>>
>     >>> Mike
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Sent from my iPad
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>     >> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> All,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>     >>>>
>     >>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>     >>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>     >>>> [3]aviaid.com
>     >>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the shape
>     >> that it
>     >>>> should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have
>     >> experience
>     >>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>     >> don't
>     >>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>     >> stock
>     >>>> dipstick?
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Thank you,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Asa  Jay
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Sent via radio waves
>     >>>>
>     >>>> References
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Visible links
>     >>>> 1. tel:155-55367
>     >>>> 2.
>     >>
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>     >> 2.
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>     7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
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>     ata=U5TJ8679EK9Tbi9JKfcIRuUlNf5fWDXEny7HfPjcrss%3D&reserved=0
>     >> 3.
>     >
>     [17]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fav%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C11f1e173d4bb46cb605408dc8c5b7a58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539571748285808%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=l57WqxI%2BsXYwoDi4hdWm%2F6v8d6WTPJYgfo%2Fm7G4jIGI%3D&reserved=0
>     iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
>     7C02%7C%7C5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa
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>     ata=p6pEpyE9eujvA5FGCIvZ3RGqBsgDAAbqL8sJm%2BpGJzE%3D&reserved=0
>     >> 4.
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>     ata=odqVXcaEyoY3SoypbfJu2xNSn3QYJUzoYu9aBbPDLy8%3D&reserved=0
>     >> 5.
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>     5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
>     %7C0%7C638538512895342968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
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>     >   1. [1]mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com
>     >   2. [2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>     >   3. [3]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>     >   4. [4]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
>     >   5. [5]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>     >   6. [6]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >   7. [7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>     >   8. [8]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >   9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
>     >  10. [10]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >  11. [11]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
>     >  12. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >  13. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >  14.
>     [14]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fna%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C11f1e173d4bb46cb605408dc8c5b7a58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638539571748308628%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=diAPHLrUupxgYGdJMXNif%2BXGMlKWyFSetxwBMEnVJp8%3D&reserved=0
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>     iaid.com%2Fshopsite_sc%2Fstore%2Fhtml%2Fws_oilpns_sbf-ss3.html&data=05%
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>     >  16.
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>     >  18.
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>     >  19.
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>     5ebb30ae8a9046ca56d408dc8b64f2c8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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   Thank you.  I'm not planning on changing my tube, just the dipstick
   itself, however.

   I'm going to try finding the Ford van one.

   Sincerely,

   Chris
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
   Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 3:19 AM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Christopher Kimball
   <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

   This is my dipstick and tube.
   I thought I had photos of the two sticks when I cut them up, but it was
   more than 20 years ago I made this, so the photos are possibly lost
   somewhere.
   I made this when I was installing the EFI as I wanted to seal off the
   tube to eliminate vacuum leaks that would mess air mass up. The Audi
   sticks has an O-ring that fits the tube perfectly.
   I think the sticks were for a 1997:isch Audi A6 2.8E (V6) and they were
   about $10 each at the audi dealer.
   Cheers,
   Thomas
   Den 2024-06-13 kl. 22:51, skrev Christopher Kimball:
   >     FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves,
   only
   >     with the tube, which I don't want to replace.  I asked if I
   bought the
   >     set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in
   the
   >     kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer
   was
   >     no.
   >
   >     Sincerely,
   >
   >     Chris
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >     From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
   >     Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
   >     To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
   >     Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
   >     <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
   >     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   >
   >     I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the
   correct
   >     length.
   >     Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
   >     Thomas
   >     > 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
   >     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
   >     >
   >     >     Mike,
   >     >   From which part of cup, top or bottom?
   >     >   Bud
   >     >
   >     >   On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
   >     DeTomaso
   >     >   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >     >   Chris,
   >     >   The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
   >     dipstick
   >     >   chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two
   halves.
   >     >   You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the
   same
   >     thing
   >     >   done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and
   transfer
   >     it
   >     >   over.
   >     >   Or, they can just fix your existing one.
   >     >   It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
   >     >   Mike
   >     >   Sent from my iPad
   >     >>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
   >     >>   <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
   >     >>
   >     >> i>>?  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted
   together, and
   >     >   the full
   >     >> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm
   worried
   >     >> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one
   can
   >     >   order
   >     >> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?
   That
   >     >   would
   >     >> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks
   to be
   >     >   on
   >     >> the dipstick.
   >     >>
   >     >> Sincerely,
   >     >>
   >     >> Chris
   >     >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >     >>
   >     >> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
   on
   >     >   behalf of
   >     >> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >     >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
   >     >> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
   >     >   <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
   >     >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   >     >>
   >     >> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and
   squeezing
   >     >   oil
   >     >> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at
   the
   >     >   end
   >     >> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
   >     >   assembly.
   >     >> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
   relation
   >     >   to
   >     >> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally
   valid for
   >     >> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that
   mark.
   >     >> Julian
   >     >> ________________________________
   >     >> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
   on
   >     >   behalf of
   >     >> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
   <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
   >     >> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >     >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
   >     >> Hi Mike,
   >     >> I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the
   arse in
   >     >> either case.  No pun intended.
   >     >> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
   >     >> referring to the Cleveland pan?
   >     >> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an
   aftermarket
   >     >> dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get
   oil to
   >     >> show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when
   driving.
   >     >   We
   >     >> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a
   stock
   >     >   pan,
   >     >> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
   >     >> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the
   aftermarket
   >     >> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
   >     >   concrete.
   >     >> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can
   easily cut
   >     >   and
   >     >> braze back together.
   >     >> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
   >     >   quarts,
   >     >> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for
   that pan.
   >     >> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a
   correct
   >     >> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
   >     >   methods.
   >     >> Thank you,
   >     >> Asa  Jay
   >     >> Sent via radio waves
   >     >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >     wrote:
   >     >>>
   >     >>> AJ,
   >     >>>
   >     >>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9
   quarts
   >     >   while
   >     >> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
   >     >>>
   >     >>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick
   setup.
   >     >>>
   >     >>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
   >     either
   >     >> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
   >     >>>
   >     >>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember
   that
   >     >> number.
   >     >>>
   >     >>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just
   buy a
   >     >> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily,
   fill
   >     >   the
   >     >> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the
   custom
   >     >> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
   >     >>>
   >     >>> Mike
   >     >>>
   >     >>>
   >     >>>
   >     >>> Sent from my iPad
   >     >>>
   >     >>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
   >     >> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> All,
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at
   Replacement
   >     >>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
   >     >>>> [3]aviaid.com
   >     >>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the
   shape
   >     >> that it
   >     >>>> should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have
   >     >> experience
   >     >>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed
   and I
   >     >> don't
   >     >>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full
   on a
   >     >> stock
   >     >>>> dipstick?
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> Thank you,
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> Asa  Jay
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> Sent via radio waves
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> References
   >     >>>>
   >     >>>> Visible links
   >     >>>> 1. tel:155-55367
   >     >>>> 2.
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   >     4. [4]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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   >     6. [6]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     7. [7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   >     8. [8]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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   4. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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   8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   9. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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  11. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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