[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Christopher Kimball
ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Thu Jun 13 16:51:55 EDT 2024
FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves, only with the tube, which I don't want to replace. I asked if I bought the set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in the kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer was no.
Sincerely,
Chris
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From: Thomas Törnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the correct length.
Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
Thomas
> 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>
> Mike,
> From which part of cup, top or bottom?
> Bud
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang dipstick
> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same thing
> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer it
> over.
> Or, they can just fix your existing one.
> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>? My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and
> the full
>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm worried
>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
> order
>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
> would
>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
> on
>> the dipstick.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Chris
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
> <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>
>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
> oil
>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
> end
>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
> assembly.
>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation
> to
>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> Hi Mike,
>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>> either case. No pun intended.
>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
> We
>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
> pan,
>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
> concrete.
>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
> and
>> braze back together.
>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
> quarts,
>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
> methods.
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> AJ,
>>>
>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
> while
>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>>
>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>>
>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>>
>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>> number.
>>>
>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
> the
>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>>
>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>>
>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>>
>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>> that it
>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>> experience
>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>> don't
>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>>
>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>> stock
>>>> dipstick?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>
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>>>> 2.
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FYI, I called Lokar and they don't sell dipsticks by themselves, only
with the tube, which I don't want to replace. I asked if I bought the
set and then just wanted to use the dipstick if it would work in the
kind of tube the Cleveland uses, the kind I have, and the answer was
no.
Sincerely,
Chris
__________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 9:54 PM
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Mike Drew
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
I cut and welded two Audi V6 dipsticks together to make it the correct
length.
Check out Lokar dipsticks otherwise.
Thomas
> 13 juni 2024 kl. 03:38 skrev B Hower via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>
> Mike,
> From which part of cup, top or bottom?
> Bud
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM CDT, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang
dipstick
> chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
> You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same
thing
> done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer
it
> over.
> Or, they can just fix your existing one.
> It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
>> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>? My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and
> the full
>> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm worried
>> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
> order
>> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
> would
>> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
> on
>> the dipstick.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Chris
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>> Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
> <[5]asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>>
>> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
> oil
>> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
> end
>> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
> assembly.
>> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation
> to
>> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
>> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
>> To: Mike Drew <[9]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>> Hi Mike,
>> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
>> either case. No pun intended.
>> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
>> referring to the Cleveland pan?
>> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
>> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
>> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
> We
>> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
> pan,
>> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
>> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
>> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
> concrete.
>> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
> and
>> braze back together.
>> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
> quarts,
>> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
>> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
>> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
> methods.
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>> Sent via radio waves
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> AJ,
>>>
>>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
> while
>> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>>
>>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>>
>>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
either
>> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>>
>>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
>> number.
>>>
>>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
>> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
> the
>> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
>> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>>
>>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>>
>>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>>
>>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
>> that it
>>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
>> experience
>>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
>> don't
>>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>>
>>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
>> stock
>>>> dipstick?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> Visible links
>>>> 1. tel:155-55367
>>>> 2.
>>
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> 1. [1]mailto:ChrisVKimball at msn.com
> 2. [2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 3. [3]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 4. [4]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 5. [5]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 6. [6]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 7. [7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 8. [8]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 10. [10]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 11. [11]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 12. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 13. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 14.
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> 18.
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> 21.
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> 23.
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2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
4. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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