[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Christopher Kimball ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Thu Jun 13 14:35:11 EDT 2024


Interesting, thank you!
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To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

A number of stock dipsticks (outside contactor) were made wrng originally. For fixed them by brazing which works fine on spring wire. See the TSBs for details

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 05:47:16 PM PDT, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:


  My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the full
  level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm worried
  the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can order
  a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?  That would
  alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be on
  the dipstick.

  Sincerely,

  Chris
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
  Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
  To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

  Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing oil
  into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
  of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
  If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation to
  the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
  the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
  Julian
  ________________________________
  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
  Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
  To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
  Hi Mike,
  I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the arse in
  either case.  No pun intended.
  Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
  referring to the Cleveland pan?
  I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
  dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
  show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.  We
  drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock pan,
  then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
  In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
  dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
  The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut and
  braze back together.
  I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
  and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
  I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
  amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
  Thank you,
  Asa  Jay
  Sent via radio waves
  > On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
  >
  > AJ,
  >
  > I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts while
  the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
  >
  > Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
  >
  > The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
  verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
  >
  > Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
  number.
  >
  > If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
  standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill the
  motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
  Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
  >
  > Mike
  >
  >
  >
  > Sent from my iPad
  >
  >> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
  >>
  >>    All,
  >>
  >>  On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
  >>
  >>  [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
  >>
  >>  [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
  >>  Parts | Page 3 of 3
  >>  [3]aviaid.com
  >>  [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
  >>
  >>  Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the shape
  that it
  >>  should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have
  experience
  >>  with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
  don't
  >>  know if it's been calibrated properly.
  >>
  >>  If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
  stock
  >>  dipstick?
  >>
  >>  Thank you,
  >>
  >>  Asa  Jay
  >>
  >>  Sent via radio waves
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   Interesting, thank you!
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
   Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 11:14 AM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Mike Drew
   <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; Christopher
   Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

   A number of stock dipsticks (outside contactor) were made wrng
   originally. For fixed them by brazing which works fine on spring wire.
   See the TSBs for details
   On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 05:47:16 PM PDT, Christopher Kimball
   <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
     My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the
   full
     level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place.  I'm worried
     the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
   order
     a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length?  That
   would
     alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be on
     the dipstick.
     Sincerely,
     Chris
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
     To: Mike Drew <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
   <[4]asajay at asajay.com>
     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
     Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
   oil
     into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
     of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
     If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation
   to
     the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
     the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
     Julian
     ________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
     To: Mike Drew <[8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
     Hi Mike,
     I agree on both methods.  They are of course a pain in the arse in
     either case.  No pun intended.
     Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
     referring to the Cleveland pan?
     I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
     dipstick.  In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
     show on the stick.  Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
   We
     drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
   pan,
     then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
     In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
     dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
     The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
   and
     braze back together.
     I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
   quarts,
     and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
     I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
     amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
     Thank you,
     Asa  Jay
     Sent via radio waves
     > On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
     >
     > AJ,
     >
     > I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
   while
     the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
     >
     > Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
     >
     > The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and
   either
     verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
     >
     > Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
     number.
     >
     > If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
     standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
   the
     motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
     Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
     >
     > Mike
     >
     >
     >
     > Sent from my iPad
     >
     >> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
     <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >>
     >>    All,
     >>
     >>  On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
     >>
     >>  [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
     >>
     >>  [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at
   Replacement
     >>  Parts | Page 3 of 3
     >>  [3]aviaid.com
     >>  [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
     >>
     >>  Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan.  I know based on the shape
     that it
     >>  should hold more than five.  However, does anyone here have
     experience
     >>  with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
     don't
     >>  know if it's been calibrated properly.
     >>
     >>  If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
     stock
     >>  dipstick?
     >>
     >>  Thank you,
     >>
     >>  Asa  Jay
     >>
     >>  Sent via radio waves
     >>
     >> References
     >>
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