[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Christopher Kimball
ChrisVKimball at msn.com
Wed Jun 12 23:48:50 EDT 2024
I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no spring anywhere on my dipstick...
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From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang dipstick chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same thing done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer it over.
Or, they can just fix your existing one.
It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
Mike
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> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the full
> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm worried
> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can order
> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That would
> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be on
> the dipstick.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing oil
> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation to
> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
> Julian
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> Hi Mike,
> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
> either case. No pun intended.
> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
> referring to the Cleveland pan?
> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving. We
> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock pan,
> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut and
> braze back together.
> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
> Sent via radio waves
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> AJ,
>>
>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts while
> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>
>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>
>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>
>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
> number.
>>
>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill the
> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>
>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>
>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>> [3]aviaid.com
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>>>
>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
> that it
>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
> experience
>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
> don't
>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>
>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
> stock
>>> dipstick?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say a spring, there is no spring
anywhere on my dipstick...
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: 6/12/24 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Asa Jay Laughton
<asajay at asajay.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
Chris,
The stock dipstick was nothing more than a standard Mustang dipstick
chopped in half, with a spring brazed in between the two halves.
You can buy a stock Mustang dipstick anywhere, and have the same thing
done. They can take the spring from your old dipstick and transfer it
over.
Or, they can just fix your existing one.
It needs to be exactly 38 inches from the cup to the tip.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 12, 2024, at 17:47, Christopher Kimball
<ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> My dipstick broke at the top and is now riveted together, and the
full
> level is a mark scored on the stick at the right place. I'm
worried
> the rivets will someday give out; is there a place where one can
order
> a custom-made dipstick manufactured to a specified length? That
would
> alleviate my rivet concerns and also allow the correct marks to be
on
> the dipstick.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 2:01 PM
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
<asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
>
> Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing
oil
> into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the
end
> of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating
assembly.
> If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in
relation to
> the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid
for
> the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:53 PM
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan
> Hi Mike,
> I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
> either case. No pun intended.
> Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
> referring to the Cleveland pan?
> I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
> dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil
to
> show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving.
We
> drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock
pan,
> then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
> In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
> dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level
concrete.
> The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut
and
> braze back together.
> I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five
quarts,
> and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that
pan.
> I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
> amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other
methods.
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
> Sent via radio waves
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> AJ,
>>
>> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts
while
> the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>>
>> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>>
>> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
> verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>>
>> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
> number.
>>
>> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
> standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill
the
> motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
> Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>>
>>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>>
>>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>>> [3]aviaid.com
>>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>>
>>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
> that it
>>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
> experience
>>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
> don't
>>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>>
>>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
> stock
>>> dipstick?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Sent via radio waves
>>>
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>>>
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>>> 2.
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